Re: Council lists (secrecy)
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Tue, 31 Jan 1995 23:23:40 CDT
"Jesse E. Cross, III" <JCROSS@BEOWULF.MHSL.UAB.EDU> writes:
>Their attempts to gain this information from their service
>centers are met with suspicion and a third degree interrogation.
>Basically, they're made to feel like untrustworthy outsiders.
That's because the local Councils have been burned so many times
and there's so many restrictions placed on the professional staffs and
on the profession of Scouting as a whole that even the most routine
things like asking for an address turns into somewhat of a "quest for
the Holy Grail" (without much of the humor)
There are some professsionals that won't give you or ANY volunteer the
time of day...they've been so cut off from "the field" that they have
forgotten what it's really like being a volunteer and "out there".
Note please that I said SOME. There are some professionals that will
bend over backwards to assist you.
>The BSA has a very *BAD* habit of doing this. You don't
>experience this as much *BECAUSE* you used to work for the BSA.
>When you want something you call a friend who still works for the
>BSA and ask. Your friend thinks to him/herself, Mike is an O.K.
>guy I can trust him, and gives you what you want. The vast
>majority of us don't enjoy this kind of familiarity with BSA
>professionals and are treated once again as untrustworthy
I am STILL treated as an outsider by several local Councils when I
come in and ask for information. Usually, I get this blank
stare...and then when I ask again, I get this "how do you know about
this" query. When I tell them "Used to work for the Movement", I
then get this quizzly look like "did he *really now* or not?" and then
the REAL questions start.
"Where at? What did you do? How did you do with your critical
achivements?" (questions to find out if I could REALLY be a former
pro). "What happened? What are you doing now? You're not with OUR
council....why can't you ask your *own Council*?" (questions to find
out if I just fell off the turnip truck, or to sidetrack me from
getting the answers I came in with).
If I pass all of that or similiar ones, then either they give me the
information or refer me to some senior pro in their office whom
finally gives me the answer after his or her *own* brief chatdance.
Can't even trust former pros, Jesse!
>I personally have experienced this on several occasions. Most
>recently when I just wanted to obtain a seal for my troop with
>which to mark all of its literature, especially books it loans
>out from its library. I wanted a seal with the BSA logo in the
>middle. When I asked at council where I could obtain one of
>these you would have thought I had asked to be given the social
>security and bank account numbers of all the professional
>scouters in my council.
That's because *that seal* is really special....that's the "corporate
seal" and they use that for all of the BSA's official merchandise.
The seal that I used for equipment was the Universal emblem surrounded
by a square turned on side as if a diamond.
>I work very hard for my troop and I don't like being made to feel
>like a thief by my council's professionals!
>If the BSA professionals need volunteers to do the work, then
>they shouldn't begrudge them the tools needed to do that work!
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