Re: BSA: Avoiding GGG discussions
Rick Busdiecker (rfb@LEHMAN.COM)
Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:35:19 -0500
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 22:48:12 +0000
From: Brian Davis <email@example.com>
At least to this point, Scouts-L has operated under a sort of
gentlemens/ladies agreement that discussions about the 3-G's were
at best fruitless, and at worst destructive to our purpose - to
further our abilities as Scouters, and improve our programs.
As someone who has participated in a number of discussions of these
subjects on this list, who has had quite a number of people thank me
for helping to provide a calmer voice to the presentation of the side
of this disagreement which disagrees with BSA policies, I believe that
you are incorrect in your assertion.
I do, however, believe that there is a point of diminishing return and
have not seen anything new and worthwhile raised in recent bursts of
If you feel "compelled to respond", do so by e-mail.
Yes, that's what I did. If you mean that I should not CC the list, I
respectfully disagree with your position. If someone had made similar
comments with respect to, say, inter-racial relationships -- as might
well have been expected in the not-so-distant past -- I would
certainly hope that I was not the only one to voice an objection.
> There is simply no need for other list members to insult my family in
> this manner. It is most certainly not in the spirit of Scouting.
Regardless of the topic, I see no need to stoop to tactics of this sort.
Tactic? I was insulted and said so. Is that a tactic?
John obviously meant no insult to your family, nor did he direct his
statements at you. I hope you may reconsider these remarks.
I don't think that was obvious at all. Mr. Oakes directly stated that
homosexuality is ``contrary to Family principles and ethics''. If he
is unaware that this insults families who choose to accept and love
their homosexual relatives, he should be be made aware of that fact.
IMO, if it is truly the case that he does not realize that his
statement is insulting to families like mine (which I doubt) he could
benefit from some sensitivity training of some sort.
If Mr. Oakes were simply discussing BSA policy and not intending to
bait flames, then certainly there would be no need to characterize
families like mine as being without values, principles or ethics.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City