Re: KNOTS - long post
Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:28:31 -0500
On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:20:32 -0500 "HENRY S. HEINE"
> Hi all,
> Well I apologize for getting up on my soapbox, I try to do it as seldom
> as possible. The direction that the adult recognitions discussion is
> going triggered me.
> One of biggest concerns as I see it in my district, council and yes even
> here is that many of us seem to lose sight of the fact that our
> involvement in this program is "FOR THE BOYS". To many times I see or
> hear someone talking about what they need to do to get this or that award
> instead of what do I need to do to make the program better. Awards and
> recognitions are nice but the ones I prefer are the smiles and laughter
> from a successful program delivered to the boys. I just see to much
> wasted efforts put toward knots and Wood Badge beads. We all really need
> to stop and ask ourselves "am I really doing this for the boys or myself"
I can appreciate your concern that, by discussing the requirements for
certain adult leader recognitions, that we may be losing sight of what we are
really here for: the boys, and not ourselves. I am not going to debate the
motivation of an individual when the recognitions are discussed: that is
strictly between the individual and their Maker (not necessarily in that
order). The person who is "out for themselves" will eventually reach their
levels of incompetence, then remain there - their peers do notice such
things. The person who strives to keep the program going by whatever
resources and abilities are noted by their peers, and will usually be
exalted to higher levels of distinction, and with it, higher levels of
responsibility (until there are no more hours left in the day <GBG>).
It seems that this thread got started by a Unit Commissioner with two years
tenure just bot transferred to Roundtable Commissioner or Staff, and wanted
to know if training, tenure and Arrowhead Honor transferred to satisfy Key
requirements. This example is a typical question to Training Committe
members on both the District and Council level, and is the most frequently
asked question I have encountered. Does the tenure change if the job
changes. The general rule that I have experienced in the councils in which I
have worked is that the tenure within a given program may be transferred, at
the discretion of the Council Training Committee, who is responsible for
approval of the awards. For example: Boy Scout Leader tenure can not be
transferred to Cub Scout Leader tenure, or vice versa.
Neither can someone with multiple registrations use the same chronological
time to saatisfy tenure requirements in multiple programs. The Assistant
Scoutmaster who is also a Den Leader and Cub Roundtalbe Staff at the same
time may not use the same two years as tenure - that person needs three
separate two year periods, or six years.
IMHBCO, this person should be allowed to continue with the tenure for the
applicable award, and _quickly_ get the supplemenatal training needed for the
new Scouting job. The Arrowhead, well, I think that person should continue
wearing it - after all, the position is still a Commissioner Staff position -
it would be, IMHBCO, sadistic of the training committee _or_ District
Commissioner to require that person to strip it and start all over again.
Which brings me to my next point: training committees need to be liberal, as
the guidelines allow, in the interpretation of the requirements. I am not
talking about deviations in policy, such as waiving two of three years
towards a Key to make the Training Committee look good. I mean a somewhat
more lenient view of someone who ends up changing Scouting jobs, not
necessarily by that individual's choice.
Or, waiving making that Scoutmaster who staffed Brownsea, but never applied
for the Key, go through the current training (I know, I have mixed emotions
about this - until BSA requires leaders to be recycled through current
training to keep up to date or lose one's status as a leader, this is the
best that can be done. However, my stubborn streak would probably take over
if this ever happened, and I would tell the Council to go pound sand.
Fortunately, I like going through the training - learning new things and the
fellowship, and all that).
Now, to my final point: "working on knots" or earning Wood Badge beads is
never a waste. Even the person who is in it for themselves must fulfill the
same requirements as the ones who are in it "for the boys": the former will
need more directed guidance on the part of their colleagues and Commissioners
to keep them on the straight and narrow. besides, I see nothing in the
training and performance as a "waste", no matter the motivation - there is
something that each gets out of the participation, and it usually brings with
it an opportunity for self-evaluation of one's motivations, and how to better
In the case of the Wood Badge, the working of the ticket definitely weeds the
goats from the sheep - those in it only for themselves will usually drop out
from it being too much work. However, they have been exposed to some skills
which can be applied outside their Scouting jobs, which can last a lifetime.
> Soapbox off.
> Hank Heine
> CM Pack 461
> ASM Troop 615
> Cub Trainer and a few other odds and ends.
> Baltimore Area Council
Troop Commissioner (yeah, my job changed - I got promoted :))
Simon Kenton Council
I used to be an Owl (SR-5)
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