Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:29:32 CST
"Michael S. Holmes" <HolmesWCW@AOL.COM> writes:
>John Oakes writes that there are no distinctions among the types of
>commissioners in reference to earning the Arrowhead, Scouter's Key or
>Distinguished Commissioner Awards.
>If you check Commissioner Administration of Unit Service, #34120, pp. 14-15,
>and Appendix D, you will find that some of the requirements vary from
>position to position. However, it is unclear whether the tenure requirements
>imply *continuous* service in the same location. Since we want to give all
>the encouragement and support we can to our volunteers, I would say that we
>should be as flexible as possible.
But Mike, that is NOT the opinion of FOUR different local Councils.
I've called our local Council, and got one answer; the largest one in
our state, and got another answer, and two others (one south of me and
the other northwest of me) and got two separate but close enough to
each other's answer. This is an example of what many of us have
talked about....the INTERPRETATION of what you read as "policy". Read
In my local Council (Audubon), a Scouter that have served in one
position (Unit Commissioner) *CAN USE* his 2 years tenure as a
Commissioner toward a training award in another Commissioner (Cub
Roundtable Commissioner Staff), even if there is little other than
tenure that can be transferrable.
In the Bluegrass Council (Lexington), they use the book as a DEFINATE
NO, and they reference the BSA's "Leadership Training: Plans,
Procedures, Materials booklet (BSA #4169) as their reference. On page
21, under the words "tenure", the Council Executive faxed me and read
to me over the phone "Tenure used to earn one key or award CANNOT (my
emphasis) be used to earn another key or award".
In the Middle Tennessee Council (Nashville) and the Buffalo Trace
Councils (Evansville), both stated that it "had to depend on how close
the Scouter was to completing the Key as a Unit Commissioner. If for
instance, everything was complete except for the one year tenure that
was left...that is, he or she earned the Arrowhead Honor Award, that
the units he or she were certified as Quality Units for those two
years, and that he or she completed all of the training and coaching
assignments, that yes, they would waive the remaining year and award
the Key to the Scouter" (and I want to add here, that the training
director at Middle Tennessee had a Scouter that was in that same
situation, except he became the District Commissioner instead of a
member of the staff).
So as you can see, Mike, things are NOT just "as the manual says".
>Also, I hate to beat a dead horse, but Greg Benesh's response is a perfect
>example of a disagreement that need not occur. A quick look at Commissioner
>Administration.... will show that, indeed, Roundtable Commissioners may earn
Roundtable COMMISSIONERS, NOT the Roundtable STAFF members. They earn
the Training Award, whether they are Cub, Scout, or Varsity. Exploring
Service Team/Commissioners and their staffs are the only exception and
they get the Key. Again the reference is the same: the BSA's
Leadership Training: Plans, Procedures, Materials (BSA #4169).
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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