Re: religious knots
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:14:37 CST
"Michael S. Holmes" <HolmesWCW@AOL.COM> writes:
>In his reply to me, M. Walton says that the requirements for religious knots
>are set by the BSA, not the religious organization. Maybe so. But why,
>then, does it say on pp. 223-224 of the Scoutmaster Handbook (#6502), "Hence
>it is important that you understand that the religious emblems program --
>really many programs -- is a program of religious bodies and *not of
>Scouting* (italics mine). Qualifications for the religious emblems are
>established by the religious groups"?
That is true, Michael....the REQUIREMENTS are set by the BSA AND THE
ORGANIZATION CREATING THE AWARD FOR SCOUTS. A good example of this is
the God and Country award presented to Boy and Girl Scouts. There are
SEPARATE requirements, depending on gender, that PRAY, Inc. has agreed
to with the BSA and GSUSA to establish. While the religious
requirements are identical, the age and program requirements are
coordinated with the BSA and other youth organizations in advance of
their approval by the BSA's Relationships Committee. A simple check
of the requirements of the same award from both Boy and Girl Scouting
organizations can back this up.
QUALIFICATION is indeed set by THE RELIGIOUS BODY USING THE PROGRAM.
This encourages the Scout to go and work with those in his (or her,
in the case of Exploring) religion to qualify for the award. But
before he or she can do that, they MUST meet the organization's (i.e.,
the BSA's) beforehand (be a First Class Scout, an active member of his
Troop, Team, Post or Ship....etc...etc..). Those are BSA
requirements, NOT "church dogma".
>Also, in Boy Scout Requirements
>(#3216B), p. 127: "Such an emblem (religious) is not a Scouting award. It
>is conferred upon a Scout by his religious leader. Each faith has its own
>requirements for earning its emblem." (This covers only youth awards.)
Again, correct. The awards ARE NOT BSA (or any other organization's,
for that matter)'s awards!!!!! They belong to the religious
clearinghouse or organization to award to YOUTH MEMBERS OF ORGANIZED
GROUPS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE POLICIES OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS (from
the P.R.A.Y. Information booklet).
>I can't argue the point about the George Meany and Whitney Young Awards.
> Perhaps the problem is that I used the word "presented" when I really was
>talking about "requirements." It is certainly true that these awards all are
>presented through the councils and many must be approved by either the
>council or national office.
Yes, that's also true. The Council Scout Executive (or his or her
representive for approval of those awards) MUST approve all special
awards to be presented to Scouts and Scouters.
>Still, I agree that there is no reason why the BSA could not compile the
>requirements. After all, they are all awarded through (if not by) the BSA.
Because, Michael, the requirements are varied from religion to
religion and this is something that each body MAY decide to publish as
a BSA-type publication (as P.R.A.Y. does with the God and Country
series for Cub Scouts, Scouts, Explorers and Scouters; or as the
Association for Baptists and the Catholic Commission on Scouting does
with other publications) OR as a special publication for its own
internal use (as the "Mormon" Churches does with their religious award
publications, as well as the Salvation Army and other organizations).
> I suggest that they could be incorporated into the Insignia Guide (#3064).
>Many councils publish a list of awards and their requirements that may be
>given/earned by adults. Often such a list includes those developed within
>their own council and districts.
Yes, they do....but putting together a "master book" would be
impractical and, well, MASSIVE. Remember, we are STILL talking about
more than 300 local Councils, FOUR Regions (yes, Regions present
awards to volunteers and professionals), the National organization,
and more than 40 OTHER groups, religious groups being one of the
largest, that present or allow Cubs, Scouts, Explorers, and Scouters
to earn and/or be presented awards from their organization for
service, achievement, heroism or participation.
the Northwest Suburban Council and the Chicago Area Council both list
a detailed listing of local, Council and national awards that they
present to their volunteers or members. CAC don't list the entire
publication, but I am sure that NSC still does, in their "Scouter's
The BEST route to find out about an award and how to get/recommend
someone for it, is to write directly to the organization or body that
sponsers the award. In most if not all cases, not only will you get
the forms needed, the booklet provided, and your questions answered,
but they will give you "inside information" on what they are looking
for in the completed application or recommendation form, insuring
approval the first time submitted.
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