CAN: Second class
Patrick Lam (PLAM@MUSICM.MCGILL.CA)
Sun, 20 Nov 1994 00:31:48 EST
>Pat I would have responded to you personally, however you did not
>provide your e-mail address. However, according to my old book, pre
You can reach me at firstname.lastname@example.org, it might not come
through the system correctly, I guess. Not the best in some ways.
Actually, at some point a First Class scout had to be either 14 yrs
old, OR have two active years in the troop. If the Scout programme
started at 11.5, then they could be 1st class at 13.5, and
I don't know when they shifted the start age for Scouts from 12
to 11, so you could've had 12.5yr old First Class scouts.
And I think it's always been that moving someone up a section
was NOT determined by written rules (as in BSA), but instead by
the decision of both leaders & the youth & his parents. There's
always been that leeway.
That's one way to avoid having 12 yr old Queen's Scouts, or 12yo
Eagles, as people were talking about a while ago on here. Rather
drastic, but it worked, I guess.
>(p. 101). I suppose that this was not unreasonable given that a Scout
>by the time they had completed all the tenderpad, second class, and
By the way- a newly invested Cub is a Tenderpad. A newly-invested
Scout was a Tenderfoot. (They messed up in the article in the Leader-
an uninvested Cub was called a tenderpad, but he/she is a new chum
until invested, then he becomes a tenderpad.) This made a lot more
sense before, when we had One Star Cubs and Two Star Cubs and Tenderpads
We still have that, in a way, for Scouts, with Pioneer, Voyageur,
and Pathfinder Scouts. Although in another way, it was a more
intentional motivator to avoid being called a Second Class Scout and
move up to First Class.. and now you can just stay a Voyageur Scout
and it's perhaps not as important to move up. I guess Second Class
is better than Tenderfoot. And BP really made fun of Tenderfoots. :)
Because of the expected ages, I think that Chief Scout's Award is
about the same as First Class, and Queen's Scout ~= QVA. But First
Class was a tough award, certainly not something to be earned by
all Scouts in their first year.
Time requirements for the Chief Scout's Award? Well, there is a large
number of requirements to complete, some easy and some hard, but just
the number makes it take some time. I guess you could do it in a
year, if you're an active Scout.
On the application form for the Chief Scout's Award (had one
filled out for me <G>) it says that the active for 1 year
requirement is to be decided by the Troop Scouter, and
either the patrol in which the Scout was active, or the Troop's
Court-of-Honour. CoH is probably better for this, especially
for patrol leaders. (and a rep from the CoH or patrol signs-
something like "In my opinion, xxx is worthy of the Chief Scout's
award, and will uphold the honour of Scouting.")
>such as the youth's age stand in the way. By the way Pat, I have
>really enjoyed reading your postings. Keep up the good work.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City