Re: do we expel him?
Ian Ford (ianford@DIRCON.CO.UK)
Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:42:45 +000
John makes a point which I would have thought was obvious ...
I <assumed> that the Scouters have already tried to find out if there are
circumstances affecting this kid's behaviour as part of dealing with the
There <could possibly> - note only possibly - be a nest of worms here -
abuse , drugs , pressure from other peer groups , psychiatric illness ...
any of these could cause a sudden change in behaviour, if the change is as
sudden as it would appear. I'm assuming that the Leaders would have
thought of these possibilities, and drawn a blank.
The appropriate authorities are best placed to get to the bottom of the
kid's problems. Going around shooting other Scouts is not " high
spirits " that can be dealt with by backing up advancement.
I hope the Leaders involved have taken legal advice on both the issue of
any possible civil liability ( assuming both youngster were still in their
control at the time ) and whether there is a duty to report the assault
to the police or other competent authorities.
I don't know if BSA has a procedure for such cases. I know that if it
happened in my British troop I would keep the kid away from the troop
until he had been interviewed by the SL and Group Scout Leader or myself
as AGSL. As a basis of that interview we would probably discuss the
situation with the PLC . If it was decided to dismiss the Scout it would
by recorded letter to him and his parents. The Scout would have a right
of appeal to the District Commissioner , and might be reinstated in
another troop if one would take him.
I have used this procedure twice in twentytwo years as a Leader, once for
a Cub Scout who broke into the church where we met , and the other was a
Scout who was disruptive over a year or more and had failed to respond to
warnings. The final straw was an assault on another Scout (which broke his
glasses) at a very high profile district event and in front of the mayor,
County Commissioner etc.
Ian N Ford
AGSL 25th Greenwich SG
ASM T401(BSA) London UK
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