William Myers (gwmyers@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:23:20 -0600
On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Kathie Cerveny wrote:
> I am sorry, but the comment of not drinking in uniform is not
> hyprocritical, it is the national policy of Scouting. It is not out of
> a "secret" life, but is in respect for the uniform we wear.
> That's all. Rules are rules. When alcohol is served we are not in
> uniform. However, if someone is receiving their Woodbadge beads at a
> district dinner, where there is a "cash bar" planned, it is not
> appropriate to be awarded the beads out of uniform. So, rules are
> pretty clear. Don't drink in uniform. It is possible to have fun
> without alochol, and that is part of our drug program teaching, and we
> teach by example.
> So, not to worry about hyprocrisy, just rules. And, many world-wide
> believe, common sense.
> Good Scouting,
The point remains if it is wrong to do something at a scout function it is
wrong in OR out of uniform...
If your actions as a scout do not reflect your teachings out of uniform,
I consider it hypocracy to change when in uniform...
As adult scouters at a scout function we don't wear the uniform because
our actions will somehow "disgrace" the uniform ?? You actions have
disgraced you alledged philosophy already
If the dress is what is dictating you standard of behavior, I suggest
either your behavior or the standard is out of line... (It in this case I
tend to think the behavior)
this is the same reasoning the scouts use for not wearing their uniforms...
I can't be COOL ... and do what I want ! ...
It has nothing to do with respect for the uniform ... Something is right
or wrong whether in uniform or out...
I agree "WE TEACH BY EXAMPLE" ... precisely my point ... and by drinking
at a Woodbadge or District dinner we are saying that that a exceptable
action whether in or out of uniform ...
I likewise don't except the arguement that this is OK since we are
adults. Does this mean that as adults we can't have fun without it?
You tell your scouts to behave like adults and act mature...Is social
drinking a part of this behavior. It evidently is by example.
If an action brings disgrace to the movement when in uniform ... You have
disgraced the movement with the same action out of uniform ... You should
not be teaching rules, you should be attempting to live to a standard of
what you claim this means.
Situational Ethics and Varing Standard is not what it's about...
My Southern Baptist upbringing is unfortunately too deeply in grained to
see this issue in any other light. This was not particularily meant as a
flame, but I feel strongly that the philosopy, not the uniform is what we
represent and should be acting in accordance with at all times. Any time we
take an action, in or out of uniform, we have condoned that action. To
those who know you are a scouter, especially the scouts, you have said this
is the proper way to behave.
Drinking at a function is either wrong or right, regardless of
the attire you are wearing...
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City