Re: scouting's goal
Jim Miller, Jr. (jmillerjr@LSFCU.ORG)
Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:03:30 EST-5
gregor herrmann <Gregor.Herrmann@UIBK.AC.AT> writes:
>as far as i understand the eagle rank is the goal for the kids.
>right? so it is a method to reach scouting's goal. okay i have no
>problem with this but i still consider it - well not very elegant to
>write "scouting's most important goal". it could be misleading - even
>for the kids (although THEIR aim is the eagle scout rank it is not
>scouting's goal). maybe it could be put: "this handbook will help you
>to reach the goal of the BSA advancement scheme: the eagle scout
>rank" or something like that.
As far as I see it, we accomplish Scouting's goal better by _NOT_
telling the kids what that goal is. The whole secret of Scouting's
success is that the kids think they're just having fun, while the adults
know that it is all just a method to teach. The Handbook Gregor has read
is intended for, and aimed at, the youth. As such, it shouldn't go into
Scouting's goals, especially not on the first page. I don't know of any
11 year old who joined the program for the real reasons it exists, and
they really have no "need to know" that information. In time, they will
learn what Scouting is about, but not before we teach them at least some
of what we intend.
>> >* was this a mistake by the chief scout executive?
In my mind, no. Scouting's goals are seperate but intertwined like
threads of a rope. The goals of adult leaders, and Scouting in general,
are not necessarily those of the boy who has just joined the program.
>i never argued against the eagle scout badge (only against calling it
>scouting's goal) although it is not our method to have rabks adn
>badges for our latest age section (ranger/rover 16-20)
>how was it possible to call eagle "scouting's goal" and not "your
>goal within the advancement scheme" [i know that a different wording
>would be needed].
I agree that something like "...your greatest goal in Scouting" might be
better, but I don't think it would be any more true. It is still just a
method to achieve the real goals. I certainly don't think stating the
real goals to a boy is any way to get him to join. My brother (age 7)
doesn't know why it's good that he has been elected Denner, he just
enjoys the acceptance of his peers. The leadership skills he may learn
from the experience won't mean anything to him for years. Scoutings
lessons are best viewed in hindsight.
>i know that esp. BSA is much more badge and rank orientated than
>european scouting - thanks anyway for pointing out the background
I'd love to hear more about how Scouting in other countries achieves
these same goals. How about it Gregor?
>gregor herrmann *
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