Re: scouting's goal
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:59:00 CST
Bob McGwier <n4hy@CCR-P.IDA.ORG> writes:
(much deleted in his reply to NorMac)
>If this were his only posting on the topic of BSA, its program, and its
>requirements for membership, I would agree with you. I stand by the
>note as I sent it. I believe what I said in it to him. I find his postings
>to be offensive and insulting. I believe others find them to be that too.
I for one don't find them neither offensive nor insulting. I've been
talking offline with Gregor for the past year or so, and find that his
concept of what the BSA is all about based totally on what he reads
here (and on Rec.Scouting) and comparing it against his home program
In his nation's program, there isn't a brightly colored uniform, nor
patches which are given out la-de-da for everything including being a
participant in a service project. In his nation's program, it is the
unit and not the Council, nor national body that dictates program,
options or adminstration. There is a body that handles registration
but it's mostly to count heads, not to establish how much financial
contribution can be gained from the membership in Innsbruck or any
other city. There is no one form of unit, but rather several
different forms which don't quite equate with the way our Packs,
Troops, Teams and Posts/Ships are organized and operate through.
There is a freer, more liberal way of doing things and going places,
with less paperwork and less restrictions than what we have here, and
it is hard for him to accept, let alone understand why in a "open,
free and prosperous nation" as the USA, we have more restrictions and
more policies over whom should do what next to whom than in his small
country, the size of several of our smaller states placed together.
Gregor's Scouting experience now is like the BSA used to be when it
first started many moons ago....without the many faceted advancement
(see what one can learn from just reading other's postings over a
interenational forum like Scouts-L? *broad smile*)
So Bob, Gregor's (and other's) questions are neither flammatory nor
insulting to me. I take it as it is...questions and inquries from a
non-USA Scouter that want to understand why we do the things we do.
Shutting him out or telling him (or anyone else for that matter) that
"his points don't count" to me is a lot like telling a Tenderfoot
Scout when he asks "Why do we have to study the US Flag?", that he's
un-American if he don't.
Part of understanding *why we do the things we do* in the BSA is what
brought me to this list. There are Scouters that were going around
blindly doing things without understanding why they were doing them
the way that the professional wanted them to do them and too scared to
*ask* why, for fear of getting what you dished out to Gregor.
I for one will answer his statements, comments and objections as best
as I can...just like I will strive to do the same for you or any other
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