Re: bsa domination (was: Re: Canadian scouts-l (66 lines))
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Mon, 31 Oct 1994 23:41:02 CST
Gregor and others:
While the "slant" of Scouts-L is admittedly and blamelessly slanted
toward the programs of the Boy Scouts of America and the Girl Scouts
of the USA, Scouts-L has *always* been open for discussions and
questions posted by Scouters (see definition) from other programs and
from other nations. We do what we can, based on our personal
backgrounds and histories, based on the information given and based
upon how *we feel* about issues, to answer those questions or offer
opinion on topics presented.
While many of us in the USA don't understand how other programs work,
we are not insulated or ashamed to ask for clarification and
explanation when we don't understand the question given. There's not
a question posted here that don't get answered, either privately by
those with adequate background or by those offering their suggestions
and answers here on the list.
I guess the best examples of this cooperation and openness are the
following: About a year or so ago, someone posted a question about
Eagle Scout service projects. This prompted Anne Riddick, a Scouter
from New Zealand, to answer the question, prefacing it with a question
about what "eagle scouts are expected to do". This prompted two
Scouters from England to explain the differences between the Eagle and
the Queen's Scout Award; and then for all of us to "back up two steps"
and explain the BSA's advancement program. This led into a brief
discussion on the values of "duty to god" as stated as part of the
Again, about two years or so ago, we had a poster from South Africa
to introduce himself to the group and to ask a question of all of us.
This surprised many of us here, because up til that time, we've all
pretty well "felt confortable" with having Canadian, English, and
German Scouters as "regulars" here....(speaking for myself) we'd never
guessed that a Scouter from South Africa was not only reading Scouts-L
but felt compelled to ask a question to the group. While only a
couple of us could help him with her leadership question, we all tried
to and he (I'm guessing here, but he's still subscribed!) felt that
the list met his needs.
The MAIN focus of Scouts-L has ALWAYS been to share membership,
program, finance and service ideas and problems/solutions between
members of *youth agencies and their leadership*, as stated in our
charter. Yes, the name *suggests* that we talk about Scouting, but as
you or anyone else can go back and read the archived files, we've went
beyond simple (and complex) questions and answers about Scouting
programs....we've talked about fears, about ADD, about crime and
punishment, about AIDS. We've talked about television and its impact
on youth, how to get kids from Nitendo and Sega and into activities.
We've even fielded questions from our list members about their
children. In *every case*, we've answered questions from our hearts,
from information that we wished to shared with each other, and in many
cases, we've done so with the same amount of compassion, caring and
knowledge that we used to answer questions like "How many boys should
be in a Patrol?".
While the *names and descriptions* of program elements differ, and
while *some policies* are totally different between national programs,
this list has always been a source of INTERNATIONAL help and
assistance --and sharing -- for Scouters.
Finally, a word about the term "Scouters". I use it to describe the
people on this list, rather than "members" or "subscribers". While
many on this list ARE "members of scouting programs", there are so
many more that are NOT. It don't matter, for the things that they are
doing for the youth of their programs --religious, civic or
community-based --are the same things that we "boy and girl scouters
and guiders" are doing through our programs. Therefore, I feel that
the word "scouter" describes everyone here.
A "scouter" is one that "guides and leads scouts, based on the
scouter's formal and informal training, personal and professional
experience and shared values".
While I am sorry that Scouts-L don't solve many operational questions
for our non-USA Scouters, I encourage you to continue to ask your
questions and state your opinions on your host nation's programs here.
We will do our very best to answer or comment on each and every
question posted here, and will ask for clarification if we need some.
Scouts-L cannot solve EVERY problem, nor was it designed to become an
"official input site" for the improvement of programs (however, we
REALLY wished it a LOT of times!!!). Like our INTERNET counterpart,
Rec.Scouting, sometimes folks feel that we may need a "new list" to cover
certain aspects of our programs. We have resisted this "expansion
urge" because of the way that we talk with each other and talk about
our issues and concerns; and because we've become more than electronic
pen-pals...we're people here that care and want to help you to be the
best Scouter you can be.
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