Re: Troop 18 Eagle - Another View
Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:42:52 -0700
In "Troop 18 Eagle - Another View", Carey Probst has now posted his
side of the story on the Troop 18 problem, and I am somewhat shocked
by some of his statments, as well as the way that they were made.
"4. The Council Advancement Committee decided that the supposed
"problems with the scout's merit badges did not have merit. Much of
"that decision was based on the years between the awarding of the badges
"and the date of the complaints. If there was a problem, it should have
"been addressed when the badges were awarded, not years latter.
It frequently happens that "improprieties" are not generally uncovered
until some time after the fact. I am somewhat bothered by the reasoning
stated. He has stated elswhere in his posts that the boy's father
was the previous SM. If the MBs were earned during his father's tenure
as SM, would he have said anything at the time.
From the impression that I have of this man, both from Mr. Miles posts and
Mr. Probst's, I have my doubts.
If, in fact, the MBs in question WERE NOT EARNED AS STATED, what purpose
is served by ignoring the problem? This does a disservice to the boy,
who was allowed to recieve unearned MBs. It does a disservice to the
SM, who discovers in going through the records that MBs were not properly
earned. And it does a disservice to the other volunteers, who see an
organization that is apparently more interested in "CYA" that finding
the truth of the matter.
Mr. Probst has listed the qualifications of the BOR, but four out of the
five are listed as being friends and associates of the family!
"5. As the former District Advancement Chairman, I am upset that Mr.
"Miles has had to bring this to this forum. It is embarassing for the
"council, district, and scouting in general that he chose that method
"to get even.
I would ask Mr. Probst where he would propose that Mr. Miles would go
for advice? No names were mentioned in any of the postings that I saw.
Is Mr. Probst saying that the application should have been "rubber stamped"
without question? Also, what evidence is there that Mr. Miles is "just
trying to "get even".
"6. As a New York State taxpayer, I am gratified to see that the state
"has chosen to do something about the misuse of their equipment and
"unauthorized spending by a state employee. I pay my usage fees to AOL
"for access to this forum and others. If Mr. Miles wants to use this
"forum, he is welcome to use his own money, not mine as a taxpayer.
I would ask Mr. Probst to look about this list. How many company names
and how many state colleges can be found on the sig lines? I think this
last statement of his comes very close to gloating. I would also describe
the father's behavior as "just trying to get even".
I would also like to make an observation here. Is there the remote
possibility that this boy or his family is "playing both ends against the
middle"? The father may be an Eagle Scout, and a very active member of
NESA. I know of one, also, who used to be an associate of mine. He was
asked to leave the unit he was working with because he refused to follow
BSA policy regarding no alcohol on BSA functions. The man may be an
Eagle Scout, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is right.
There is also the information that has been reported to us concerning
the man's actions in dealing with the other parents of the Troop. I
hardly find those actions to be that of a person intent on following the
Scout Law and Oath.
There is the "fairy tale" of "Jack the Giant Killer". In this story, Jack
kills the giant is by causing each of the two heads to believe that the
other is attacking it, leading them to fight. Is it beyond the realm of
reason to consider that, quite possibly, that is what has happened here?
Every volunteer Scouter that I know of has had political disagreements with
other scouters, some "professional" and some volunteer, at different levels.
Is it just possible that this is an example of one that got "out of hand"?
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City