Troop 18 Eagle - Another View
Carey Probst (HCProbst@AOL.COM)
Sat, 29 Oct 1994 14:07:58 -0400
I have been watching this nonsense about the Troop 18 Eagle problems as
described by the scoutmaster, Paul Miles, and have been trying to get a copy
of my response to it all which I sent to TJ VanHouten, National Advancements
Director, and the Twin Rivers Council Executive, Jerry Vorse to the list.
Unforturately, I haven't been able to get the list to accept the entire
letter. I'll keep trying.
I am the District Advancement Chairman who signed the Eagle Workbook before
1. There are no national rules on what order the signatures are to be
affixed to the workbook. Our council advancement committee has an attachment
which specifies the order, but which I believe violates national policy by
adding an additional Eagle requirement.
2. I told Mr. Miles and his Troop Advancement Chairman that they did not
have grounds for refusing to approve the project. There were no problems
with the project, but they refused to allow it because of questions about the
scout's maturity. I tried to explain that that was not a valid reason for
preventing the scout from doing a project but should be addressed at the
Eagle Board of Review.
3. The timing of the project was sensitive due to the nature of the project,
a Christmas Tree recycling drive. It does not take much time to read over,
discuss and approve an Eagle project. The only explanation I was able to
deduce about the delays in approving the project was the goal was to prevent
the project from happening. I told the boy's parents that he should go ahead
with the project because I saw no valid grounds for not approving it.
4. The Council Advancement Committee decided that the supposed problems with
the scout's merit badges did not have merit. Much of that decision was based
on the years between the awarding of the badges and the date of the
complaints. If there was a problem, it should have been addressed when the
badges were awarded, not years latter.
5. As the former District Advancement Chairman, I am upset that Mr. Miles
has had to bring this to this forum. It is embarassing for the council,
district, and scouting in general that he chose that method to get even.
6. As a New York State taxpayer, I am gratified to see that the state has
chosen to do something about the misuse of their equipment and unauthorized
spending by a state employee. I pay my usage fees to AOL for access to this
forum and others. If Mr. Miles wants to use this forum, he is welcome to use
his own money, not mine as a taxpayer.
7. I have personally known the scout in question for several years, and his
parents even longer. At camping trips and other scouting functions, I have
never seen a problem with the scouts behavour or attitude. When I met with
Mr. Miles and his committee, the actions they described to me seemed to be
those of an active young scout and certainly nothing I heard from them
sounded sufficient to refuse him permission to attempt his project. After
all, an Eagle project is to help a scout learn leadership skills and learn
This has been just a summary of my view. I will keep trying to get the
entire letter to National to this group.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City