Re: "baptism" of fresh summer-campers
Randy Finder (NARAHT@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU)
Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:33:00 EDT
>I am an assistant scout-master in the "Lingegroep", a troup of boys aged 10-
>14, in the village of Zetten, near Wageningen, The Netherlands. Glad to meet
>Only one thing is not really organised, though it is an old tradition too:
>the "kampdoop", the initialisation of the boys and leaders who never before
>attended a summer camp. Traditionally this "feast" is quite rough, the
>victims having to crawl through dirt, mud or (at best) water, or being
>dragged allong blindfolded on carts, pulled by the "experienced" campers.
>This happening, as you will understand by now, is organised by the older boys
>who have been the victims themselves in past years, en therefore tend to be
>somewhat sadistic... as far as we will allow them!
>Yet we want the uglier facets of this "baptism" taken away, without really
>breaking the tradition of the "kampdoop", the initialisation to camping.
The best word in English for this is "hazing" (IMO).
BSA has specific rules against Hazing. In addition to the fact that
the USA is a more Litiginous society, It is a very good idea to prevent
them. The simple questions should be "what are the new scouts learning
from this?" Ican understand why you do want to keep some "baptism"
but the current practices are contrary to the entire idea of scouting.
I am a brother in a scouting related fraternity. So I can also see this
from the standpoint of what happens if this sort of hazing is not
stamped out ASAP.
>One of the suggestions was to let the newbies cook pancakes and lay the table
>in an official manner, serving the product of their culinary practices to the
>experienced campers, or something along that line. If only it is fun, non-
>violent, and SAFE for all (I am the official first-aider, y'see).
This is a decent idea. Just make sure that the old practices are not continued
My troop used to have a "snipe" hunt. (snipes are non existant animals,
the older scouts used to try and convnince the younger scouts they existed.)
This was terminated when one of the younger scouts managed to capture
the ASPL. (Younger scout was large for age, was able to subdue ASPL)
>My question: are there any friendly suggestions from other parts of this wide
>scouting-world?? Manny, many thanks in advance!!
No problem. This situation has been dealt with many times before. Maybe
there is some BP stuff that is anti-hazing?
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