Re: Eagle before 13? (Keeping boys involved)
Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:23:55 -0700
Susan Ganther writes...
"Scouting is supposed to round a guy out. If he is not active in sports,
"academics, church and extracurricular school clubs, WHY NOT? He should be
"encouraged to be involved in the community in more ways than just thru
"Scouting. He should have more contact with members of the community than
Well, I CAN'T let that pass without comment. My son is no longer in
Scouts. He was, and is, very active in sports, including DANCE(?).
One of the reasons that he is no longer in Scouts is related here.
Several years ago, the patrol was planning an activity for the local
camporee. Each patrol member had a very important part of this activity,
to the point where any missing member would put the activity at risk.
Dan elected to attend the camporee instead of going to the soccer game
that was scheduled for 3:00 Sat. afternoon. He did that because it was
the fourth game of the season, and against a less experienced team. There
were 2 other boys on the team who could also play the positions that
were assigned to Dan. At the next practice, the coach ripped Dan up
one side and down the other because he wasn't at the game, and the team
lost. He went so far as to tell him that the team had lost the game
ONLY BECAUSE DAN WASN'T THERE!! The coach went on to say that if he
missed another game that season FOR ANY REASON, he was off the team.
I spoke with Police Officer Little League coach told me one season that
he realized that Scouts was a good program, but he thought that if he
coached a team the next year, he would not accept ANY Scouts on the
team because the Troop activities made it impossible for him to plan
lineups and practices that included all the players.
I have seen a number of Scoutmasters who have told boys in the Troop
the same thing. Basically, "If you can't make ALL the meetings, then
maybe Boy Scouts isn't for you." The Troop that I work with has such
a policy, and I think it's a pile of "meadow muffins". I have seen
several promising Scouts go "inactive" for the <insert sport here>
season, and then never come back, because they found other interests.
And, the older they get, the worse it gets.
Now, Susan (and others who agree with her); is this only in Phoenix
that this happens? I think not!
How, then, does a boy become "involved in the community in more ways than
just thru Scouting". If the "other ways" don't want to bother with him
because he has a commitment to Scouts, and Scouts doesn't want to bother
with him because has has commitments besides Scouts, where does he go?
Unfortunately, he ends up giving up something he enjoys, whether it be
baseball, or basketball, or soccer, or swimming, or Scouts. We adults
call that "making choices" and "growing up".
A 13 year old may not have the other interests yet. By 14, he will most
likely be interested in some sport. At about the same time, he discovers
GIRLs! Then he realizes that it takes money to feed the four wheeled
beast (not to mention dates with the girl(s) ;) ).
Also, Susan, just so you understand me, I realize that I came on a bit
strong on this point. THIS IS NOT MEANT AS A FLAME! It just touched
a sore spot with me, and I have just said "ouch".
ASM Troop 323
Grand Canyon Council
I didn't used to be anything! (Except younger) Maybe someday...
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