Re: Mom & me outings
Michael Kalnay (kalnay@GOV.NT.CA)
Fri, 26 Aug 1994 09:32:27 MDT
> the evaluations ALWAYS had complants...'too many bugs', 'too hot', 'too wet',
> 'toilets stink'... In other words we NEVER had a successful mom & me 'course
> we never held it at the Hilton either!
I don't beleive that complaints meant that the events were not successful, it
just means that the particpants wnated some improvements in the facilties or the
location. What did they say about the program?
Your next comment, that the mixed events got comments on *reality* means
that once the moms got some experience in the filed, with the dads, who
presumably new about reality in advance, they commented on the other stuff,
and did not try to change things that can't (won't?) be changed.
Your last statemnt:
> Our lesson was learned the hard way! For MOST mom's , at least at the Cub
> Scout level, roughing it means the Holiday in with _NO_ room service.
indicates that maybe you still haven't figured it out. The point should be
that many moms (and cubs, and dads, for that matter) don't know what to
expect when they get to the *roughin it* parts. Once they do (i.e. by
particvpating with integrated groups, where presumably at least one dad can
say over the campfire that _this is much better than when I was a cub_) they
will have a much more enjoyable time.
Perhaps thiose of us who are skilled campers (by now) should try and remember
when we were rookies, and provide more details re expectations to first time
campers. I know that when wwe take people to some of our camps around here
including the first camps on occasion, we use faciltiies far less developed
than what you are probably used to (e.g., no bathrooms at all, pit. flush
or otherwise) and up to 20 or more miles from the road (yes with cubs).
Two seasons back we had some new kids from down south here, and they came to ask
me wheere the bathroom was. They said their mom, who hadn't camped much, told t
hem that there would be a little hut, but no real bathrooms.
When they found out there wasn't even a little hut, they thought I was teasing.
Next day, when we did have an enclosed area with a bucket, they figured it
To end the ramble, let's not forget that not everyone has experience in the
wilderneess, (and even that wilderness can really vary quite a bit)(there
are lots of palces hereabouts I wouldn"t go without a guide) and until they do
they can't be expected to evaluate a program based on appropriate expectations.
7C today, already.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City