Re: European Venture
Brian Moretta (brianm@CARA.MA.HW.AC.UK)
Fri, 12 Aug 1994 17:18:42 BST
> From: Mark Flexman <mflexman@BOURNEMOUTH.AC.UK>
> I have spoken with quite a few Ventures and Leaders who went to European
> Venture and your comments are slightly too "Over the Top".
> Yes there was alcohol around but the Leaders (Those from my area) were well
> aware of who were drinking it. Underage drinking - I don't think so.
Possibly I saw things they did not or I just happened to come across all the
bad eggs. Perhaps different subcamps had different experiences. I'm not a
gainst underage drinking per se, but I encountered several *drunk* underage
Ventures. The official attitude that seemed to come across (to me at least)
was benign encouragement - I would have expected at least a neutral one. This
wasn't one of my main points, but just a little irritation (mainly 'cos I had
to cope with a drunk 15 year old from the group next to us.)
> As far as the issue on drugs is concerned I think it was just a rumour.
> Visiting a city like Amsterdam, some younger adults could quite easily
> claim that they had some drugs. I absolutly do not believe that the Leaders
> in charge of these Venture Scouts would allow them to have any such
> substance and would act immediately on any suspicion that they were.
I hope you are right. I said I heard a rumour, but the guy seemed pretty
sure which was maybe what convinced me.
> European Venture was an exciting opportunity for Venture Scouts and Young
> Leaders from around Europe to meet, make friends and extend the warm hand
> of friendship.
Opportunity to meet others from the UK. In our subcamp there were some
Spaniards and Swedes who camped separately, but with only about 30 of them
and 700 UK Ventures opportunities wre limited. In Paris there were no
opportunities to contact locals (apart from shops or bars!)
> Not every camp needs to have days devoted to Scouting skills. Camps like
> these are meant to enable the campers to discover new places, experience
> life abroad and meet and make friends with Scouts like themselves from
> another country.
I'm not saying that there should necessarily have been Scouting skills
days, but the whole thing was just a good time event. I felt there was the
opportunity to do much more - I didn't feel there was much opportunity given
to really sample local culture. I don't think dumping everyone at the Eiffel
Tower with map and guidebook is the best way to do this either, but I realise
that more personal experiences are difficult to create in an event of this
> Lets not continue to argue about the bad side of trips like these. Lets
> look at what those people who attended the camp got out of it.
> Sure the issue of drugs and drink should be addressed if it can be proved
> that they were being used.
I'm not saying that the trip was bad. Despite what I've said it was good
fun, I really enjoyed it (how many people get to spend their birthdays at
EuroDisney!) and I haven't spoken to anyone who didn't actually enjoy it.
What I am saying is that it could have been much better, especially at
introducing people to the European dimension.
> It is unusual for me to write like this but the continued degradation of
> the name of the European Venture Scout Movement is in my opinion un-called
I did not intend to degrade the movement like you think I have. Most of the
negative things were caused by a very small minority - with 4500 people
around there will always be a few silly people. Perhaps the the incidents I
mentioned could have been prevented, perhaps not. My intended main point was
how the event could have been better, and not merely from a logistic
I think the basic concept - encouraging UK Ventures to travel to Europe and
giving them a basic "introduction" is a good one. But I had more contact
with overseas scouts in London on the way home than I did on EV. I really
wanted to know if anyone else was on it and felt the same way, or had any
ideas as to *how* it could have been improved. I'm sorry if my original
message gave a poorer impression of the event than it should have.
Dept Actuarial Maths and Statistics These opinions are my
Heriot-Watt University own. No-one else would
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