Re: Vacation Time for Scouting
Woltz, Al LTC (woltza@SHAFTER-EMH3.ARMY.MIL)
Thu, 28 Jul 1994 11:36:00 PDT
ASM T401 (American School in London) wrote (in part):
>Even with this level of leave many employers will allow youth leaders
> an <extra> week to take their groups to camp. Several major banks do - all
>they ask is a letter from your Commissioner to confirm that you actually
>attended. The argument was that the service cadets (Army Cadets, Air
>Training Corps etc.) officers got paid leave because they are
>commissioned in the Reserve Forces. One bright chap tried it on for
>Scouts, saying that we were a patriotic organization serving the youth of
>tomorrow etc. and the company bought the argument ! I haven't checked if
>the Health Service does this ...
>Do any US employers do likewise ? Is this something that Councils could
>take up with employers ?
Ian, I'm in the U.S. Army (and have been for the last 20+ years). One of
the major benefits we receive in the service is 30 days (including weekends)
of paid vacation per year regardless of how long you've been in the service
(from Private Beetle Bailey to General Eisenhower).
Additionally, Army Regulation 630-5 allows service members to take
"permissive TDY" (temporary duty) in "support of federally chartered
national scouting organizations. The soldier's participation in the
scouting program must be as an adult leader or supervisor in a continuing
basis. Such absence will be relatively short, normally not more than 14
calendar days." I can say conclusively that the Navy and Coast Guard have
similar policies, but I'm unfamiliar with Air Force or Marine Regulations.
Permissive TDY, formally called administrative absence, is performed at
noexpense to the Government, and is simply non-chargeable leave. The
regulations DO NOT limit the number of time an individual may request
permissive TDY only the normal duration.
The Army does have some restrictions, however. "Permissive TDY is not
authorized to provide for performance of logistical type support functions.
These functions include such areas as mess (feeding), sanitation, and
medical support. Normally, permissive TDY will not be authorized when
members fill counselor or instructor positions, to teach swimming, arts and
crafts, marksmanship, hiking, and similarly related subjects. However,
permissive TDY may be approved, if a written certification is received from
a senior local Government official (mayor, city or county manager, etc.).
The certification must verify that the type of support being requested
cannot be procured, or is not available, from local community resources."
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City