Re: Council Comm. conflicts
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Tue, 26 Jul 1994 17:22:36 CST
Steve Souza <76703.633@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:
>The Committee is putting together a document listing all the Council's
>Explorer Posts, including info about where and when they meet, the advisor,
>contact info, activities, etc...
This is a great idea in principle, S2, but a terrible one in practice.
What you will get (if you get a lot of response from the project), is
a lot of general stuff written by the Advisor which in reality is NOT
what the Post does or in some cases come close. But, I'll go along
with the ride here, and offer up some suggestions for the project.
(you can't tell that I haven't been down this road before, have you?)
>The directory is to be distributed to all the area High Schools through the
>career counselors, etc. (maybe 20,000 copies total). He would like to have
>information about each Posts "first nighter" in the directory (most in Sept.
>a few in June). I suggested putting the first-nighter info on a perferated
>card that could be removed and carried in a wallet, etc.
I like the card but fear that many of those cards will stay in the
pockets over the next year.
>He wants the first-nighter info to be part of the bound document and stay in
>Here's the rub... My background tells me that with most of the
>first-nighters in Sept, come Nov. the info is dated and not not real useful,
>and therefore most kids (who pick up a copy in Nov. or Dec. or Jan...) will
>see the "old" dates and assume the whole directory is 'dated' and toss it.
>We want them to hang onto it all (school) year and call any Post directly
>that they might be interested in, and go to one of their regular meetings,
>not just go if there is a first-nighter scheduled.
That's right. A couple of fine points in this: One, make sure that
your directory is high on PROGRAM and low on ADMINISTRATION. Two,
make sure that the name and number of the PRESIDENT/BOATSWAIN is
listed moreso than the ADVISOR (what has worked in Richmond, Virginia
a while back when they did something like this, is placing the Post
President and Chartered Organization Representative, so that teens are
either calling the organization that charters the Post or Ship or a
teen that is activily involved in the Post. Calling the Advisor will
force many to go into oversell or will cause many prospects NOT to
come to the meeting because they will slip up and say something stupid
like, "It's part of Boy Scouts and...." click).
Three, make sure that you list also some of the Council and National
activities in generic "teen language" and NOT in "Boy Scout talk" (for
instance, calling a Council activity a "areawide happening"). They
are more apt to come to something that they have a possibility of
meeting others from outside their community than a "Council activity".
>He says that the kids will do what we want even if the first-nighters are
>past for most Posts.
NOT. He doesn't know much about Explorers, does he?
>Do I raise the issue to the full committee and present my views and ask
>them to decide if the first-nighter info should be bound in, or on a perf
>card that can be removed so the rest of the directory has generic info on
>meeting times/dates, etc... and isn't 'dated'... or do I just bow out of the
>issue and let him direct this area of the document??
No. How about putting together a group of Explorers to decide which
*they* would be more apt to follow, and put together two mockup
versions with EXACTLY the same information, except make one version
with the cards and the other version without. That way, you have both
versions already made, and are ready to do one or the other after your
Explorer "consultants" have decided on which they would hold onto.
When all possible, involve as many Explorers as possible into the
process. After all, it IS their program and they could tell you how to
reach those teens a lot better than we can think up ways.
>Small issue I agree (we never have BIG problems <g>) but one that my
>background says is important to the overall project.
I agree with you, S2. You know, someplace here I've got some
information from a Council in Pennsylvania (I can't remember if its'
Reading or Pittsburg) that did something really high-tech and hip:
they had a communications company to donate a local number and some
software, and set up voicemail boxes with the voices of the Explorer
Post Presidents on it, describing where they meet, what time and what
kinds of things they do. An interested Explorer would call up the
number, push the appropriate buttons (two for Law Enforcement; three
for Medicine; etc..) and push the buttons again for the area of the
Council (arranged by Districts, but they didn't have to know that!)
that they live in. If they wanted more info, they left their number,
name and once a week the DE would collect that information and forward
it to the Post or Ship to do a followup call. I think that the
Council called it the Career Interest Line. I'll see if I can find
that flyer somewhere around in these boxes over the next weekend (the
weekend after NOAC) and forward it to you or anyone else interested.
The pro that gave it to me stated that they used that line as part of
their United Way presentation, as proof that they were reaching out to
more teenagers through the Exploring program.
Hope that I've helped a little!
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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