Re: YPP GUIDELINES
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Fri, 1 Jul 1994 18:38:22 EDT
Randy Finder <NARAHT@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU> writes:
(from Kathy's comments...)
>>In Scouting regulations, marriage is exactly the same as boy-girlfriends. In
> fact it is stated very clearly that husbands and wives will not sleep
>I'm confused, I thought a previous poster said that Husband and Wives could
>sleep together in an area of their own.
Okay...I'm the person that said this, and I said it based on what the
BSA's Safe Guide to Scouting said...and this is found in the section
labled "Adult Leadership". I think that this will also answer the
comment earlier about "four deep" versus "two deep" for Exploring
advisement during a overnight camping trip.
(the emphasis are mine and not the BSA's....)
"two REGISTERED adult leaders, or one adult and a parent of a
participating Scout, are required for all trips and outings. Coed
overnight activities require MALE AND FEMALE adult leaders."
"NO FEWER THAN FOUR INDIVIDUALS (always with the minimum of two
adults) GO TO ANY BACK-COUNTRY EXPEDITIONS OR CAMPOUTS. "
"Male and female leadership require separate sleeping facilities.
MARRIED COUPLES MAY SHARE THE SAME QUARTERS IF APPROPRIATE FACILITIES
"Male and female youth participants will NOT share the same sleeping
facility. When staying in tents, no youth will stay in the tent of an
adult other than his/her parent or guardian."
The National Exploring Division, BSA along with the Risk Management
and Health and Safety Divisions sent out two years ago a document
called "Youth Protection Guidelines for Exploring", which reflects the
same things as listed above, PLUS added the "two plus two" rule
whenever Exploring units go camping or any other OVERNIGHT activity.
The "two plus two" rule is basically the same as the
wilderness/camping rule EXCEPT it explains that "two males and two
females will accompany Explorers on ALL activities which take place
with an overnight stay".
Cut down to the chase, gang, this is what the policy means:
* in order to fill out a Tour Permit, you have to prove that you will
have two males and two females present if the trip involve even ONE
* the leadership (male AND female) MUST BE 21 years of age or older.
There are no longer any provisions for "associate advisors" 18, 19, or
20 years of age. Other adults (not registered) can be 18, 19, 20 (or
for that matter, 17 or 16....but as Kathie mentioned, they CANNOT be
registered as Explorers in that Post or Ship or any other...they are
considered by LAW, as "adults".
Don't confuse what the BSA says is "leadership age" with what a state
says is "adult age", especially if the age of "consent" in some states
is as young as 14. We are talking here about the age of the REGISTERED
LEADERS, those adults in CHARGE and SUPERVISING a Scouting activity or
event. In those cases, as far as Exploring is concerned, they MUST be
21 years of age or older.
* males sleep with males; females sleep with females. If a married
couple INSIST on sleeping together, they should sleep in a location
AWAY from BOTH males and female youth members, and ONLY if they have
the facility (i.e. their OWN tent) to sleep in.
* youth sleep with youth; adults sleep with adults. There's not to be
any "mixing" between youth members and adult members. A FAMILY may
sleep together in the same tent IF they sleep separate from the youth
and adult members.
Randy, I know that you are trying to see if there's any "budge room"
around the BSA's Youth Protection Policy. There isn't. The policy is
there, in black and white, and available through any local Council
service center. SOME COUNCILS ARE MORE STRINGENT THAN THE BSA
GUIDELINES!! Some local Councils have had problems in this area in
the past (for instance, Kathie's Chicago Area Council), and have made
local modifications to the Policy (which local Councils are ENCOURAGED
to do, in order to respond to their "threat") which makes it even
HARDER for married couples to sleep together during Scouting
Personally, even though I love my honies, when I am camping with "the
guys", I don't want to sleep with her...I would rather wait until I
come back from the campout to sleep with her in our own bed, in our
own home, and (she would add this), under air conditioning!
Hope that this information adds to the discussion here...
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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