Re: OA Internet Flap flap
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Thu, 23 Jun 1994 19:28:15 EDT
Hi Everyone!! It's been quite a day around here!!
I don't have much time, because I 1) have to call Jessiann and tell
her that I'm going to our friends son's last baseball game 2) have to
go to the game and see the last four innings; and 3) pick Jessiann up
from work (her car lost the clutch the day before yesterday and I've
been alternating driving her to work and having her take the car in).
First, for those that have been following this for the past three and
a half days, here's the "executive summary version" of what has been
discussed and what solutions, if any, I've resolved:
We here at Scouts-L and some on Rec.Scouting have been discussing how
nice it would be to have a patch to identify us during the National
Order of the Arrow Meeting. This somehow got expanded to include
everyone that uses a computer to access any Scouting discussion list
anywhere. After a lot of arguing and discussing, Jessiann and I (under
the information management firm we run here on the side to pay
telephone bills) decided to go into the "patch beeswax".
Jess really complained until I explained the 25 percent deal. While
that would cut into what profit we would realize from the sales, it
would virtually assure us continued inquiries as the word gets out to
those NOT having computer accounts. Some of you also asked for
clarification on the percentage, and it is 25% of the proceeds after
expenses. Someone correctly estimated that our "profit factor" would
be around a dollar a patch (a little more, in reality).
I made the first ad, and immediately got well over 75 "inquiry
letters" back to my account or to Jessiann's account (point of order:
while everyone KNOWS that I read this list faithfully, PLEASE PLEASE
don't send "inquiry letters" through Scouts-L...please send them to me
at one of the below addresses!). We asked for your e-mail address so
that we can send "interest postings" (like the one this evening), and
your snail-mail (postal) address so that we can send the finished
product and other "paper postings".
Then, the comments about the patches came in:
* the patches were US-centered (yes, the OA Flap IS centered on those
folks attending the National OA Conference; the second patch, called
the "Internet Scouter" patch as a working name, will be more "generic"
in nature, but yet a beautiful patch which Americans, Canadians and
New Zealanders would be happy and proud to wear.
* we want the patch to use the word "Scout" or the logos of the
BSA/GSUSA or even the international World Crest (as my friend and
profesional Mike McDonald wrote today, that's a no-no, as far as the
BSA (and Scouts Canada, Bob Craig) are concerned. Even with the
"donation" of a percentage of the funds, it would take about three
MONTHS for any approval. The approvals would come from the national
bodies, and not administratively from the National offices. It was the
general consenous here that the patches are wanted NOW.)
* the Girl Guides organization won't get any monies sent to the World
Organization of Scouting Movements (WOSM) (that' absolutely correct.
They won't. So, the percentage would be split between the two
organizations and after talking with the Girl Scouting people in town
this afternoon, they would be more than happy to accept our dimes for
the Julitte Low World Friendship Fund. 12.5% for the boys, 12.5% for
the girls. 100% for everyone involved in world Scouting, as far as
* there should be something about computers on the patch (I tried,
but getting a good representation of a terminal or computer was a
little hard...I will do better, and I couldn't get in the binary
translation of "internet scouters" (it would not fit in black and
white around the edge of the circular patch...it did fit around the
OA flap, but it detracted from the basic design...I'll keep working
on it, though! The words "internet scouter" appears in Morse Code,
the earlier "binary" code (and something which ties into
Scouting...the teaching of that basic skill was required for a First
* the patches will be generic (well...I've sent a uudecoded version
of the patches to those that wanted one to illustrate what they are
paying for. The patches are both in six colors, fully embrordered and
really, really nice. Before sending them off this afternoon to the
patch folks, I took a color copy and leaned it against the old khahi
shirt and a tan current shirt. They BOTH allow the patches to stand
out (and they will!). Again, the Order of the Arrow flap does NOT
contain "WWW", "BSA" or the fleur-de-lis (since all are covered under
the BSA's "service marks"). Therefore, once you get them, if you
decide to do what I will do and wear one to the NOAC, you're on your
Once again, the OA Flap's "Lodge name" is "Amimi - Wulanwdee" which
means "Doves whom speak from the heart", or in our cases, "peaceful
discussion from our souls". Pretty appropriate, huh?
The patches are on the way to the patch company...I've confirmed that
the NOAC/Internet Lodge patch WILL be available BEFORE the Conference.
I will bring some for sale there onsite, but I'm not sure about
whether or not that's against some BSA policy (I think it is against
the OA Conference policy...in which case, I will have to "set up shop"
someplace OUTSIDE of the campus. How many I bring depend on how many
I will have left. I've ordered 100 for starters (I can hear it...come
on!! I'm NOT fully employed here!!!!!! It was all I could do to write
the check for the 100 patches!!), and I can get another 100 by FEDEX
if I sell all of them before the conference (and that's a great
possiblity, because I've already got 75 "orders" as I mentioned.)
Patrick De Gagne <Patrick.De.Gagne@SCOUTING.HEXACOM.COM> writes:
>A very important thing you must keep in mind on an international forum such as
>this one is that though most Americans don't seem realize it there is us out
>there - the rest of the world. And too often you people act as if we didn't
>exist or simply brush us asside (and that happens VERY often with Canada).
>I'm not saying the patch was intended to be that way, but after a while people
>from outside the US do get a little irked at being looked down uppon and
>brushed asside and get edgy.
Once more, the NOAC patch (the first patch) is intended primarily for
those that may be attending or interested in attending the "Internet
Lodge" meeting during NOAC. The "Internet Scouter and Guider" patch
is for ANYONE, and is more world-centric in scope...
I think that you would be pleased with BOTH.
I've sent out the "NOAC patch post" to those interested, which also
includes uuencoded "artist renderings" of the patch.
Sorry that all of this has taken up more time than what it should have
taken up, but I wanted to do this as my honies would say "the right
way, the only way to do things properly...it makes everyone happy and
keeps people from complaining".
Yeah, right *huge grin*!
I've got a ball game and my honies to pick up!
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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