Re: OA Registration question.
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Wed, 22 Jun 1994 14:48:34 EDT
Randy Finder <NARAHT@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU> writes:
>What was the purpose of the College Scouter Reserve?
The College Scouter Reserve (CSR) was a way that boys 18 to 21 could
stay active within their local Council while away from their Council
due to military duties or college attendance. Those CSRs would
continue to receive a Council newsletter, mailings from the Council,
invites to attend Council-level activities and most importantly be
able to retain their tenure as members of the Boy Scouts of America
and the local Council in which they originally lived in.
Originally, it was used as a additional manpower tool for the local
Council. The Council could use those older boys as additional hands
for District and Council activities, have them to assist new units and
creation of new units, and do a wide variety of things that older
adults would find mundane and "boring". Important to those
professionals, was the fact that they could "pick and choose" those
interested CSR members and ask them to enter a Professional preview
program, or, upon graduation, enter the profession from their local
The only problems with this, as I've explained before, is that CSRs
are carried on the charters of the District, and "inflates" the
District in some cases greatly, giving the District Chairman and
Executive more "bodies" than they knew about. This isn't a big deal
until you try to get those "bodies" to do something with that
District. In some cases, the ONLY reason why they are registered that
way is to retain Order of the Arrow membership, and they refused to do
anything else with the District at all. This frustrates the dickens
out of many professionals, whom wished for a way that those people
could be carried on UNIT charters instead (where they belong) or not
carried at all if all they were interested in is OA membership.
The BSA fixed it for them, first telling Council Scout Executives not
to register anyone else in that capacity and to get those already
registered that way into a UNIT, even if that meant to organize a unit
for those youth, which many local Councils did. Next, because the
word was still not being heeded, told local Council Registrars to
send back to those wanting to register in that way applications or
forwarding them to the District Executive so that he or she can find a
place for those people. Next, under the BSA's Youth Protection
policy, insisted that starting two years ago, that EVERYONE SHOULD BE
REGISTERED WITH A UNIT, and requiring for OA membership that BSA
membership in a unit to go hand-in-hand. Finally, District membership
went to those 21 and older, and not those 18 (this had been a policy
in the past, but the BSA (like they have done with many of these "new
policies") are simply "pressing the clamps" on this policy) to 21.
>In talking to some scouters in Europe, they seem not to particularly
>have a problem with this for three reasons.
>1) Shorter distance. Most of the western European countries are
>smaller than US states. So in a lot of cases the college student
>can stay active in their home town.
Many of the CSR members went to schools located WITHIN the boundaries
of the local Council. This was one of the frustrating things about
this whole CSR deal. In the past, it was uncommon for CSR members NOT
to help out the District where they came from with staffing, merit
badge counselling, etc., etc.; now, its the opposite: when you can get
a kid to "come home" to help out, its *only* because he's
exceptionally involved in Scouting or because he's got friends that he
wants to see "back home".
For instance, in the Milwalkee Council, there were more than 130 CSR
members that attended school right there in town at the University.
But only 20 or so of them ever participated in ANY Council activity
while a college student, even though all of them were continuously
registered each year as CSR members. However, the OA lodge continued
to have "extra hands", which was one of the biggest influncers in
having a Sectional Conclave at that Council's Lodge!
>2) A branch of scouting that starts at 18 (rovering) for them to
>get into as "youth" members.
We have Exploring for those youth between the age of 15 to 21.
However, not many Assistant Scoutmasters in a Troop setting want to go
back to becoming a "youth member" of an Explorer Post (there are
exceptions, such as College Scouter Exploring units at colleges and
universities that serve as "holding groups" for CSR members).
The BSA looked at three active models (including my Post at Eastern
Kentucky University and a similar one at the University of Idaho) and
came to the conclusion that those could be viable alternatives to
"Rovering" as found in other countries. Your Exploring Executives now
have "guidelines for College Scouter Posts" which can allow them to
organize similiar type units in your Councils.
>3) A lower percentage of the college age students going to college.
Possibly, but the Chronicle of Higher Education is still telling
universities that we have a lower number of students attending our
colleges and universities compared to what we had in the late 80s.
>1) the USA can't do anything about, and 3) wwe certainly don't
>want to. And I've never understood 2) Most of BSA's differences with the
>other groups in the WOSM have at least some connection to membership
>>Under the new "computerized registration system" the position
>>previously called "College Scouter Reserve" has been cut. This was
>>due to local Councils having no control over volunteers which are
>>registered in one local Council yet are living (and working with a
>>unit) in another local Council. Youth members (those under 18) can
>It seems that there are other people in the same boat, where boys
>are shuttled around due to divorce or separation.
But in those cases, the boys are registered in ONE location; not in
this case, where in the past I could be registered as an Assistant
Scoutmaster in one local Council and go back home, where I am
registered as a member of the local Council's College Scouter Reserve
(and thusly, as a member of my District's Committee).
>Also it is rare for a student to be under 18 for more than for more
>than a few months.
It's the period between the 18th and 21st birthday that's in question
here. While some kids served as Assistant Scoutmaster, the vast
majority were in this "holding group" until either they dropped from
Scouting altogher (from lack of interest) or until they turned 21
(and could serve as an adult leader) or until they found a unit in the
college town in which they could serve as Assistant Scoutmaster or
as a member (in Exploring's case).
>>still be registered as members of the Troop; adult members (those
>>under 21 and over 17) can still be registered as Assistant
>>Scoutmasters but MUST fill out an adult application and be approved
>>just like any other Assistant Scoutmaster.
>Is this in the coucil the go to school in or the coucil that they
>come home to?
Either one. Once they fill out and the application is approved, they
can serve as Assistant Scoutmaster of a unit in the college town; or
if they fill out the application and the application is approved, they
can serve as Assistant Scoutmaster of the unit at "home".
Note please, that I stress "...the application is approved". ALL
adult positions in the BSA MUST be approved; it is NOT an automatic
"done deal". The Chartered Organizational Representative MUST approve
all adults serving with that unit; nobody else can do this approval
for him or her. Also, the local Council Executive (or his or her
designee, in this case, the District's Executive) must approve them as
Hope that it makes it a little clearer...
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