Re: First of Many: Internet Scouter "OA Lodge Flap"
Robert Craig (rcraig@LIBRARY.CARLETON.CA)
Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:47:08 EDT
> Scouters worldwide have been looking for something which would
> recognize their "membership" in the "electronic global community"
> of Scouting. Over the past four years, there has been several
> attempts at creating clubs, groups and newsletters which would be
> sent to those members. As far as we know, all of those attempts have
> been stalled due to time constraints or due to the inabilities to
> understand the nature of Scouting in places outside of the United
You make a statement like this and then:
> While we in the USA love patches and insignia, those outside of the
> Boy Scouts of America and the Girl Scouts of the USA do not place a
> value on a cloth patch and would rather have something which could be
> worn or attached during special times.
You make a statement like above. How can you generalize about other
countries' preferences? but then
> The first of such items which Blackeagle Services will develop is a
> special Internet Lodge patch to commemorate this summer's National
> Order of the Arrow Conference (NOAC), which will take place in July
> of this year. The design, shaped like the traditional Order of the
> Arrow "lodge flap", has special designs which identify the Scouter
> as an "internet Scouter".
Why can't a "universal" (ie not attached to a specific event) Internet
Scouter badge be created. Sure it won't be recognized by ANY Scouting
Association (without going through processes), but at least everyone
could have it and not feel excluded. Someone suggested a simple
badge with "Internet Scouts" with the 'o' of Scouts containing the
World Scouting Logo.
> One significant feature of these offerings is that Blackeagle Services
> will send a quarter-percent (25%) of all proceeds to the World
quarter percent of all proceeds = .25%
one quarter of all proceeds = 25%
> Friendship Fund. This fund, administered by the World Association of
> Scouting Movements,
World Organization of the Scout Movement?
(there is no organization that I know of called the World Association of
> There will be NO PUBLIC OFFERINGS of ANY KIND directly through the
> Internet. These messages will be sent to all three lists twice a
> month in order to hold down bandwith and in order to provide Scouters
> which have recently subscribed an opportunity to participate in these
> offers. Subsequent messages will only announce and describe the
> item(s) and give the Internet address in which to send inquiries or
> advance orders. Orders will be limited to 20 PER INTERNET ADDRESS in
> order to hold down "insignia wholesalers". The basic design will be
> trademark-protected in the United States, but other than that, there
> will be *many* "knockoffs" as this idea catches on.
your idea itself is a knockoff of the "Fidonet patch". Who/what/where
did you obtain permission to "be" the holder of the internet? As well,
it may be difficult to trademark items (such as the word Scout, the world
Logo) that are already "copyrighted".
> If you feel that you or someone you know would be interested in what
> Blackeagle Services could offer, please send your e-mail and s-mail
> ("slow mail", regular postal) address to the below address. Please
> allow 72 hours for confirmation of your e-mail message, since the
> account is also used for personal mail and the "bin" in which
> inquiries are filed will be emptied once a day.
Yes, I am interested, however, (maybe I missed them) I wonder about
the issues presented above and how you can generalize members of
Scouting from around the world?
In furthering your idea for an "internet patch" have you considered
approaching the World Organization of the Scout Movement to create or
"adopt" an idea for such a patch?
Look Mike, I know my words probably sound quite offensive. I have had
an annoying time on rec.scouting, having been labelled and harassed by
people who claim to be members of Scouting (and BSA members at that!).
As a member of Scouting from outside the US, I am getting more and more
disgusted with the generalizations that are made from members of the BSA
and the opinion that the BSA (you even said this) is a superior Scouting
program to the world.
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