Offensive Songs, Skits, et al, WAS Re: Forbidden Songs??
RYAN KEIL (RYAN.KEIL@M.CC.UTAH.EDU)
Sat, 11 Jun 1994 17:24:56 -0600
On Fri, 10 Jun 1994, Rick Clements wrote:
> From: Jim Sleezer <JHS8%OSUVM1.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
> }I guess I would avoid things that are offensive in ANY setting,
> }even if they seem to be popular.
> I don't think that's possible. Someone will be offended by anything.
> For example, someone refered to the chairman of our county commisioners
> as chairperson. She cut him off mid sentence and informed him that the
> position was chairman. I think we need to be sensitive, but like
> anything else, it can be over done.
> Rick Clements Rick.Clements@tek.com
> "Gentlemen, I have the utmost confidence in your ability to perform ... the
> impossible!" Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
I have to agree with Rick. Being an OA advisor is kind of interesting
since I am of Iroquois and Apache descent. Having received a medical
discharge from the USMC and living with a medical disability that is
virtually invisible to others brings some interesting situations. I am
not easily offended by 'normal' things such as any and every cheer, yell,
skit, song, etc., I have encountered in scouting and making any reference
whatsoever to Indians. On the other hand, I have been somewhat offended
from time to time by those who do not realize that I do some of the things
I do because I do not have a choice thanks to my service-connected
disability when such individuals, perceiving from their own, topically
inexperienced viewpoint, make comments that impinge upon myself.
I've had comments made to me about "walking up a flight of stairs is
healthy" when I take the elevator _down_. I do usually walk _up_ but I am
limited in my ability to bear weight on my knees when descending. The
other person may not know this, and I am not offended by their offering.
I do take offense when I see a car without a disabled tag parking in a
stall designated for the use of the disabled. I don't have such a license
tag on my car, but my awareness of those who need such facilities has been
enhanced due to my own limitations.
I have advanced the point Rick made in one of my college classes, among
"peers" who couldn't realize that their own mannerisms and modes of
speech, by the standards they would set, would be perceived by someone as
offensive or prejudicial, thus, hypocritical.
On the other hand, we certainly must be aware of our power to bring
awareness and responsibility to the youth whom we serve. Some things,
perhaps, do need adjustment or abandonment. Jim's reference to the
Chinese cheer and the Occidentals among us is a case in point. Not only
are we potentially offending the oriental youth, and youth of oriental
parentage or extract [ and you can insert other specific groups ], we also
teach _all_ of our youth that such personal irreverence is
But, again referring to Rick's comments, the question unanswered is where
to draw the line. At what point is something in good taste and humorous,
and when does it become offensive and, as leaders and advisors, irresponsible?
Ryan - BEAR-ly Scoutin'
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