Re: Facilities Loss
Kipp Davis (paintre@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Mon, 23 May 1994 11:09:31 -0700
On Sat, 21 May 1994, RYAN KEIL wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 1994, Kipp Davis wrote:
>> (soapbox on)
>> I have been following the recent discussion about the impending loss of the
>> use of school facilities and have seen most of the blame being centered
>> on the politicians. As much as I hate to get involved in a political
>> discussion here on SCOUTS-L, I would also like to remind people that this
>> was brought on by a vote of the people of Oregon to roll back their taxes.
>>>> By the way, who paid for those schools?
>>> those buidings were not built just to be used from 10:00 to 3:00!
>>> Schools should be community resources, used for a variety of different
>>> community goals.
>> Yes, they were built with taxpayer money, but their primary purpose is to
>> provide a place for teachers to educate the children. When money gets
>> tight, extra-curricular activities get cut. The people of Oregon said
>> that they wanted to cut government waste, an ambiguous goal. When people
>> jump on the anti-tax bandwagon, they should be prepared for the
>> un-intended consequences that may accompany the passage of those measures.
>>> Your scouts parents have ALREADY paid for the schools (here it's through
>>> property taxes...), and they should not be denied access.
>> You don't get something for nothing... if you want extra-curricular
>> activities, you have to pay... with taxes or with fees for use. The
>> utility companies don't give away electricity for the schools to use when
>> the scouts are using the facilities, nor do the custodial staff volunteer
>> to stay an extra couple of hours without pay.
> Kipp is so right. We shouldn't gripe about the state government trying to
> save a few thousand dollars (and I do mean a few, not a lot)
I assume you've been in on the budget negotiations in the states that
have voted in tax reductions... not saying that I have but you seem to be
speaking from an insiders point of view...
> I'm just wondering one thing. The youth whose energies could be
> well-directed in activities such as scouting will find other ways to vent
> their energies, you know, in gangs and such.
I couldn't agree with this more. This is exactly why I volunteer for
scouting. I want my child and others' children to have a "good gang" to
> So, my question, where will the state get the money to pay for housing
> that small percentage of them that end up in prison--at some $30,000 to
> $50,000 per year each. Are they really saving money? Are they really
> serving their constituents?>
My point in this discussion is where to place the "blame". People are
quick to say "Reduce my taxes", but no one wants the reduction in
*services* that were once provided by those taxes. Again, I suggest that
people think long and hard about the effect of anti-tax legislation
before they support them. Exactly how much of your favorite services are
*you* willing to give up?
Kipp Davis | firstname.lastname@example.org | (206)685-1491
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