Re: District Fires Volunteers
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Sun, 17 Apr 1994 00:00:55 EST
(I reposted Olan's comments and Doug's concerns because it's been some
time since this string first started....and this evening, when I can
reply to it).
Olan Watkins <o.watkins@GENIE.GEIS.COM> writes:
>I just ran across the attached post on the FIDO Scouter Net, it which it is
>reported that the district professional Scouters fired the entire district
>group of volunteers in one big wipe out. My question, how is this possible
>and how could a district survive after something like this, or for that
>matter perhaps the total council that the district is in. I would think that
>it would be very hard to get anyone else to take on the jobs in the district
>after it became clear that one of the conditions was to be "yes" men.
> From: Doug Secrist Read: Yes Replied:
> What a night! I just learned that ALL our District volunteers have
> been fired! That would be about 30 people. People who I thought we're
> incredible contributors to scouting, are all gone because they fought
> the ideas of the paid execs of our District. Never mind that the paid
> people have only been on-board for a year or two. Never mind that these
> volunteers have about 20 years average experience each. One of the
> leaders just received his Silver Beaver!
The bottom lines, as I've tried to explain here on a couple of
occasions are the following two statements:
ONE, that we've given our programs over to the professionals, whom, as
WE directed, have the power to organize and redirect our efforts
toward getting the job done. We gave them that power simply because
we were all "too busy" in getting the tasks done ourselves as if we
were doing it for pay (which of course, they are doing it for).
TWO, that in doing so, we understand that when we have taken our hands
off, that we would get IDIOT folks to run our programs for us, armed
only with the Rules and Regulations of the BSA and of course, OUR
EDICT to "do what is best for the youth".
The District Executive was WELL IN HIS RIGHT as a administrator of the
BSA and as the representive of the District's Chair and Commissioner
to get rid of ANYONE he or she sees fit....remember that the BSA is
NOT an organization whereby anyone that wants to can be a member; the
BSA is also a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION and therefore can choose to exclude
or "dismiss" anyone they (they here, meaning the local Council) sees
to do so, WITHOUT CAUSE and WITHOUT A COURT HEARING OF ANY KIND.
Yep....that's right. Anyone. We've given that power to our
professionals to do just that....without anything other than "thanks
but your help's not needed or wanted anymore. May we suggest the Red
We don't even have to shake your hands.
> Now, Council is busy making phone calls to replace these people. So
> for now, activities, training, advancements and all the other things
> these volunteers took care of are dead! I'm shocked and concerned about
> the future of the scouts within our District.
It does look bleak especially in your followup to this posting that
you mention that the Council is having problems filling those
positions. I personally feel that the DE will be the next person to
be replaced, and probably as soon as the Council gets enough heat from
the folks in that District whom have given money to the District.
> I just wanted to blow off some steam, but has anyone else ever
> experienced so drastic a reorganization?
I've heard that several DEs have tried this tactic to "clean house" so
that they can reorganize the District and get rid of the "dead weight"
(those District volunteers that have been fixtures in the District for
YEARS and YEARS, have resisted attending YPP because "You know
US...we've been here since the Council was formed....and NOW you want
us to get trained?" (and yes, many of those folks have Silver Beavers
AND Antelopes AND perhaps Silver Buffaloes too!)...or those that have
constantly re-registered with the District and does absolutely
NOTHING and refuses to do anything when asked. These are the same
folks that have served for years as Scoutmasters and Cubmasters and
Exploring Advisors and don't think that they need training, yet, they
are training others or leading events. What examples THEY are! Ever
try to redirect one of THOSE folks to do something for the District
or Council? It's like you've said a dirty word!). When they have done
this, they inform the District's membership (adult and youth) that the
District will be reorganized and gives a timetable for this to happen.
During one such reorganization in Missouri, for instance, the
District's Commissioner staff was "fired" and then the District
Commissioner, Executive and the District Commissioner from another
Council "interviewed" and hired the new Commissioner's staff. It was
reported from that Council that the number of Quality Units rose from
13 to 73 percent over the following year (yeah, because they knew that
they're behinds were on the line if not!). Another District in that
same Council reorganized the entire District because there was a small
group of Scouters that seemed to be doing EVERYTHING leaving the vast
majority of Scouters out there sitting around, trying to see what will
come next from this small group. So the DE fired them all and forbad
them from doing anything with the District for a year. He got more
and different volunteers after two months of inactivity and lots of
phone calls to those in that small "clique" complaining about the lack
This is what we get for NOT doing the tasks that we are given when we
volunteer for them. When you volunteer to serve as Activities chair
or training chair or advancement chair, you've got to do those tasks
and attend those meetings that is called for...otherwise, your DE or
other professional gets to attend them for you. While that's nice of
him or her to do so, it creates more conflict that he has to deal with
with his boss, the Field Director. The Field Director's job is to
make sure that his or her professionals are out there rasing monies,
meeting with unit leaders and chartered partners, and developing new
units and new chartered partners and lots of kids for those units.
...he or she is NOT PAID TO GO TO MEETINGS. We do so because we want
to be visible and want to know what you'd planned and because SOME OF
YOU ARE NOT THERE AS YOU COMMITTED YOURSELVES TO BE THERE...therefore,
the professional HAS to take up the slack for you and the others.
So, Olan and Doug, you can see where from his or her standpoint, it
could be better for him or her to go and "fire" everyone and start
over from ground zero and organize for effiency and "customer
This yo-yo just went about it the WRONG way, I'm afraid.
Hope that presents the situation from a DIFFERENT perspective.
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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