Re: Restricted publications?
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Fri, 15 Apr 1994 09:31:30 EDT
Joe <21329JW2%MSU.bitnet@UKCC.uky.edu> writes:
>This is one reason that when I travel I always try to stop in the local
>council offices where ever I go..... What may be severly restricted in
>one council is on the shelf in another council for all to buy.
As Kathie correctly stated, your inability to get the OA officer's
book is a LOCAL restriction, and NOT a National one. I've just
finished my weekly "call-in" to National, and I've asked specifically
about the OA Book being restricted. Both the National Supply Division
and the National OA program service says "IT IS NOT RESTRICTED...any
OA member or leader may purchase the book". Kathie's suggestion that
you write directly to National MAIL/PURCHASING to get the publications
that your local Council "refuse" you to get is a GREAT one and both
divisions agree that if you write them, they would be more than happy
to send one your way.
>Some councils (like mine) have the attitude of NEED to know before
>you are allowed to get some publications. This is in strict keeping
>of the "Good Ole Boys" network.
You're exactly correct there, Jesse, and the reasons why is one of
control. If you don't know the REAL rules, one of those "good ol'
boys (and girls) can say ANYTHING and you're forced to believe it.
For instance, look here at a snipet of a posting sent to me that was
my MAIN reason for calling this morning:
---------------- included text --------------------------
...I was told that I could not attend Scoutmaster Fundamentals because
of where it was located at, at the (name of Council came deleted).
The camp don't allow women to go there. I'm the Scoutmaster of a
Troop. What I am supposed to do, Mike? Get a man to serve as
"Scoutmaster" on paper and then go to the training? When I went to
our District Training chair, he said that "There's a national policy
that says that females cannot attend camping events unless there's
another female present. Don't argue with me, argue with National".
So I called the Council office and talked with someone there (I think
he's the Director or something like that) and he said "we don't get
involved in our District's program policies".
(there was more about her frustrations at getting information for her
Troop and getting advancement information in a timely way).
---------------end of included text ------------------------
So, I am SURE that after I relayed the information to our Boy Scout
program and to the Council Support Divisions, that the local Council
will get a series of "nastygrams" and perhaps a unannounced visit from
the Area Director of that particular area *smirkly smile*.
Just so you all know, there is NO national policy that restricts
females from Scout camps, as long as they are the parents of a Scout
or a registered Scouter (not necessarily a Boy Scouter, since many
camps are used for Cub, Varsity and Exploring events too). There is
also NO national policy (and there better not be a local policy) that
says that in order to attend ANY training course, females have to be
"paired up" with females. (there is a policy that says that females
must be housed separately from males, but we're talking training here
and not camping...and I'm sure that this woman can sleep by herself if
she REALLY wants to or that some other arrangements can be made for
her to sleep overnight there.)
> Thru infomation I obtain thru this list
>and in my travels I have often shocked council people with information
>that I know about.... "Who told you THAT information?" "Well it's in
>pub.so and so, or I heard it on the NET.' Do they act suprised....
And they *should be*! The programs of the BSA are designed so that we
that run and operate it should know COMPLETELY about it, to avoid
getting kids hurt and to make the program great for the kids we work
with and the adults we get to work with the kids!
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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