James Brown (aa473@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU)
Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:33:09 -0400
>Not to be a pain Ryan, BUT
>>With the recent developments at US Food and Drug Administration, tobacco
>>may soon be a "drug" defined as a controlled substance, as well.
>This may be outside scouts -l guidelines
>but I'd just like to appeal to common sense
>with a bit of humor. Keep in mind that
>I DO NOT WISH TO OFFEND or START a DEBATE,
>just trying to make a point-
>YOU CAN'T TEACH YOUTH ABOUT HOW TO GET ALONG
>IN THE WORLD IF YOU COCOON THEM FROM IT!
Some excellent if intended to be humorous ideas deleted
>Thank God for all the Scouters that influenced me
>as a youth that occasionally had a nip late at
>night on a campout. And for the ones with
>their cigars, pipes and cigarettes. I wouldn't
>have had a program had they not been allowed to
More good stuff deleted, got to watch the bandwidth :-)
>Youth don't need perfection as a role model.
>They need to see how mere mortals try and do their
>best in the world.
Like Mike I hope my comments can be taken not as a flame but as a
constructive comments on this thread.
Any substance consumed in excess can be harmful, it is possible to
die from too much oxygen. Alcoholic beverages have been shown to have
both long and short term benefits to MOST people's health when consumed
in moderation. Like antibiotics or other mediations some people have
allergic reactions to alcohol. Due to their alcoholism they must at all
times refrain from consuming it.
Frankly many of the "never in uniform" "never around the boys" postings
strike me as insisting that the wrong message be sent to the youth we
are supposed to guiding. That is that there is something inherently
wrong or inappropriate about moderate drinking or at a minimum that
doing so is some kind of a "right of passage" from which they must
be excluded from even indirect exposure to until they are BIG BOYS.
While I can not say that I recall a specific time seeing an adult leader
in my troop drink a beer on a camp out I suspect it was for two reasons:
1: They would not have done so during the day's activities and the
committee (adults) always set up their campsite away from where
the troop set up.
2. If I had a reason to be at their site in the evening seeing them
with a beer in their hands would have been no more surprising then
seeing them with coffee in the morning therefore it simply would
not have made enough of an impact to be remembered 35 years or so
Of two things I am sure.
1: None of them ever consumed enough to appear even mildly intoxicated.
2. I would have been in DEEP trouble if I had attempted to have a "brew
or two" at any type of scouting related activity.
What ever positive habits I have developed as an adult toward what it is
today fashionable to call "responsible drinking" were probably implanted by
I would suggest that any policy on alcohol possession and consumption
be based on two principles. First that the laws of the land on this, as
in on all things, must be obeyed. Second that there is a time and a place
for everything. Driving a car, cutting fire wood with an ax or chainsaw,
or just leading/supervising a group activity makes alcohol consumption
wrong. Sitting by a campfire after a long day and drinking one or two beers
for their relaxing effect before bedtime is possibly the best example
of using one of God's many gifts responsibly and appropriately.
Hope I haven't offended anyone but as St Paul said "All things in
moderation". IMHO this must include our attitude and policies on
PS Since I can hardly see my screen through the clouds of smoke from
my pipe I will stop without getting into the tobacco question :-)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City