Re: OA Ordeals & Timing
Jeff Menaker 814 862-7494 (JXM181@PSUVM.PSU.EDU)
Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:54:00 EST
>Thanks for your comments, so far...
>Our biggest DISCUSSION here has been using the candidates to put up camp...
>We aren't getting but about 70 or so members plus 100 or so candidates for
>the Spring Ordeal. Many of us (Adults & Youth) feel like we are sort of
>abusing the candidates.
>The feeling is that we run them sort of in the ground getting camp up, so
>that many do not come back to any other OA activities....
Yeah, that's the same feeling i've been getting only it's usually.
I think the biggest problem is not so much the job we hand them (although
i don't agree with most of them as ordeal projects (weed wacking and
other menial stuff) , but that rarely does anyone explain the project
past the point of handing out instructions and telling them that part
of the ordeal is to do some work....i think it would be much better
to explain the purpose behind a job...as soon as someone understands
why they're doing something, they will have less gripes about..and
realize that they are actually doing more than just labor for the
hell of it.
Another thing i noticed...for some reason the lodge likes to keep
candidates isolated from the lodge membership (except for the
ppl who are guiding them) They have their own projects and are
lucky if they see anyone from the lodge before the ceremony...for
all they know everyone else is just goffin off while they do all the
work....i've heard of ordeals where the candidates worked alongside
the members but still maintained the conditions of the ordeal.
Anyone have any comments on this?
>Our Lodge has about 500 members and we can only get the 70 to 100 out for
>an Ordeal. Is this kind of attendance common???
Well, last i checked, our lodge had something like 3000 members and a
typical weekend at Delmont (the closer of 2 camps) can bring out 250
members and 100 candidates (the max for candidates).. but the weekends
at Resica Falls (about an hour and a half farther than delmont) are
lucky to get 100 members and 40 candidates.
>In our chapter (1 of 9 in the Lodge) we try to encourage the new boys to
>come to chapter meetings. The meetings aren't just meetings.. We work
>on Outfits and Ceremonies, etc.. But, depending on the Unit, many of the
>boys just won't come....
WHen i was chapter chief we had the probelm of poor attendance...i was
1 of 3 at the couple of meetings after i took my ordeal and somehow
it was decided that i should become chief...i tried to get ppl to come
out ot meetings but found that many had no interest in OA other than
to take the ordeal, get the sash and flap and look important because
of them...the other problem was that those that came to meetings before
me were bored and never came back...
the other problem: scoutmasters....some scoutmasters had a very high
influence on a scouts participation in the OA...example..one
intentionally scheduled his troop meetings and all his trips to conflict
with lodge weekends and chapter meetings and made it clear that he didn't
want scouts going to OA stuff...the other scoutmaster said he didn't
see any reason for them ato attend when they were there before there
were no ppl there and nothing to do...
This was real frustrating, but i found the best way to deal with it
is to avoid the scoutmasters and make the scouts aware of it..i found
that in several cases the scouts heard nothing about the OA since there
induction...once you get a couple of scouts to attend and run a fun
yet productive meeting, then more will start coming and pretty soon
you'll be able to put stuff together..like we did...at the end of the
year we had a ceremonies team and had done a call-out at the spring
camporee (which didn't hurt .... made the OA a greater presence within
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that's enough..time to got to dinner...sorry i've been quiet so long
i had all my mail from scouts-l going to a different acct and forwarding
here, but i never logged into that acct and couldn't post from here..
but i'm back :)
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