excluding cubscouts at meetings
Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:50:20 -0500
Could someone answer this question? Can a cub/Webelo leader threaten to
not let a member in the den to attend meetings if he continues to be noisy,
showing boredom,or not pay attention during an outing?
After our pack meeting last night, the two women leaders called the parents
together (5 mothers of 8 cubs--two of the mothers being the leaders) and
gave us a hand written agenda,twice stating that if any member continues
to be noisy, show boredom at outings, or not pay attention while at an
outing, will be excluded from any further den participation, and they told
us that we need to "get" our sons to behave in the meetings.
Fortunately for me, my son has not gone on any of the meetings outside of
the den, and therefore, it didn't pertain to me, AND he probably isn't one
to be noisy in the meetings, because he is from a different elementary
school and doesn't know the boys in his den. I do know that if he were
familiar with the boys, that he could be noisy, and could fit in to what
they were complaining about.
But if my son were to fit the above description, it doesnt matter what
threats, or incentives I might offer my son, if he is going to act up, I
cannot control him.
The schools have taught the kids well in what measures parents can impose
on their children, or not impose on their children to "make them behave".
My son informs me on his interpretation of that.
Can the den leaders threaten, (and they have done this in written form) to
exclude a boy or boys from the den?
NOW, don't tell me about the candle you use for behavior. I am sure they
know about that. It might even be that their boys are the roudy ones, but
apparently they cannot handle the eight boys in their den.
((My husband and I were den leaders one year with five boys, and we used
the candle. It worked well for us, too. One of the other dens in our
pack that year, were loud and noisy, and the leader was assistant
scoutmaster. When approached about their boys maybe being quieter during
pack meetings, we were told....."They're just boys. Boys are suppose to
be like that."))
At our pack meetings this year, including last night's, ALL of the boys,
including our den (who was suppose to be bored and disinterested, not
respectful) I felt they were very well behaved, and were patient when we
had a guest speaker talk for about 20 minutes. and throughout the pack
The boys meet every other week at the leader's homes, alternating leader's.
Of course, it is winter too, and the boys meet in the evenings. I don't
know about the other boys, but my son does not get a proper meal before
running to the meeting at 7pm as I just get home from work at 5:30. Also,
I struggle to get my son to want to go to the meeting and to do badge work,
but I do know that he is quiet at the meetings, he doesn't know the boys
and therefore, does not have a comfortable interaction.
Is there something in the leader's guide books which state the leaders can
exclude a boy from participation (or boys) because they showed disinterest
or boredom during the out of den visits to (1) the nature center and (2)
tour of a construction site.
Thank you for your assistance in this unsettling matter.
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