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Subject: Re: Eagle too early?
Bob McGwier <n4hy@CCR-P.IDA.ORG> writes:
>I think this entire discussion is baloney. I know "good" 14 year old
>Eagles and I know some jerks who got their Eagles at 17. There are always
>people who can manipulate a system to their advantage. The current
>program is in my opinion a good one, if administered carefully by thinking
>caring adult leadership, working with the boys who run the program out
>of the PLC (I still want to call it Green Bar), along with active parents
>on the committee. I applaud the ability for boys to work on all requirements
>up to first class simultaneously. It is my opinion that if you have lousy
>scouts making Eagle at 14 then the problem is with the adults involved and
>not the scout.
Basically, Bob, I agree with you that it is the application of the
program the way it is presented that is the key. But how many Troops
do that?? To make it "special", they skirt around the program and
develop their own "versions", some which work and most of them fail.
And the vast majority of them that fail also fail young men that have
earned their Eagles through such program "variations".
So we have boys that are members of Troops that do nothing but go to
the fall and spring camporees, summer camp and spend the rest of the
time earning merit badges during meetings. There's little to no
exercise of leadership or followship, one of the essential elements to
our program. There is also little to no exercise of service (okay, so
the Troop goes and participates in Scouting for Food. Big Deal. The
Troop didn't PLAN, ORGANIZE or DIRECT the project....the District or
Council did that. The Troop IMPLEMENTED the project. So...we have...
>A boy who has received 21 merit badges, done a project that
>the local council, district advancement chairman, a board of review comprised
>at least partially of people who don't know the boy all has (approved
it) probably earned it.
>If not then the scoutmaster, the eagle advisor, the district advancement
>chairman, the troop committee, etc. have all failed the boy.
But they have all approved it, Bob, and the kid/Eagle Scout is now
basically incompetent. He may know how to tie some knots or how to
earn the Fishing Merit Badge, but what does he know about leading a
group? If he has served as Scribe, Den Chief, and perhaps Troop
Guide, for the three leadership positions for Star, Life and Eagle,
what tells me that he knows how to set up a campsite and lead boys
(what I consider is the star quality of the Eagle)?
Don's comments, along with others, including me, is sound especially
when you go to summer camps and see all of these Eagle Scouts being
taught *basic Scouting skills* (the same ones that they were SUPPOSED
to learn from other Scouts and the Scouters of that Troop when they
were younger (like two years ago).
It all comes down to leadership and the execution of the program the
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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