Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Mon, 20 Dec 1993 21:09:50 CDT
Larry Rinaldo <lrinaldo@R02DG05.R02.EPA.GOV> writes:
>Hey "Net", I have a question. If it has been discussed, please
>let me know, or direct me ( FTP if possible ) to the location
>of Scout Regulations.
It *has* been talked about before, but hey..there's a lot of newbies
here....it bears rehashing.
There's presently NO location of the set of "Scout Regulations",
because Larry, as I've mentioned lots of times here, that would
require us getting regulations and policies from your local Council
and from the other 300 +/- ones as well.
There's simply NOT a stock "set of National Regulations" (with the
exceptions of the Rules and Regulations of the BSA and the Charter and
Bylaws of the BSA, which both speak in GENERAL TERMS about how a local
Council is organized, supported and adminstered; how the various
programs work and the advancement programs of the BSA; and finally,
how the local and National officers are elected, recognized and
Because of that, each local Council has developed a set of Rules and
Regulations, or Policies or Guidelines (depending on the size of the
local Council and the emphasis they place on it...) in accordance with
the BSA's Charter and Bylaws and its Rules and Regulations (and may
refer to them from place to place...). Getting a copy of each
Council's policy ranges from a "piece of cake" to "not without a court
order, a pint of blood and your firstborn child" (and that's to get a
copy from someone registered IN THAT COUNCIL!!).
Why is this so, you ask?? Some Councils want their volunteers to know
EVERYTHING that is going on in their Council. They subscribe to the
idea that a "informed volunteer will assist us in meeting our goals
and therefore, will feel a part of the team". I love those Councils.
There are other local Councils that will REFUSE to give out ANYTHING
that relates to the operation of the local Council to ANYONE other
than the Council's officers (and then, they have to sign a statement
that says that they won't copy or otherwise share that material with
other volunteers...and that they will GIVE BACK (if you believe that!)
the books when their terms are over). Everything in those Councils are
routed through the Council/Scout Executive, and he decides on what
information is released to the volunteers of his Council and what
stays with him or with the professional staff of the Council.
I *don't* like that at all...and neither do anyone else in those
Councils. But that's the way things go....
>Often times, I get questions or comments about a variety of thing,
>concerning the Scout "line" or official policy that I find
>our Council does not either, know or have.
As a former Council Exploring Commissioner, and as a former National
volunteer, I field a lot of those questions in my local Council and
elsewhere...I've worn so many hats over the years, several at the same
time, that naturally folks ask me about stuff. But, I'm not the only
one, as you will see when you post those questions here on Scouts-L.
This resource is a GREAT place to ask those questions, Larry.....so
fire them away. On this list are present or former members of local
Council Executive Boards (the decision-making body of the local
Council), former Council Presidents or Council Commissioners, present
Council Commissioners or their staffs, a couple of folks that have
made Scouting their career from time to time, and who knows whom else
"lurking", reading the questions and comments here, not repling or
asking at all. We all attempt to answer those questions based on the
information we have at hand (some more than others, some personal
stuff and mostly "this is how OUR Council handles this" advice). We
will also reference (as we're known to "get out our rule books" to do
so) various Scouting references, including the BSA stock number so
that if someone ever questions "where did you get that from? (and they
WILL, believe us!)", you can show them the publication or say "page
so-and-so, from the BSA "how to do this" book, catalog # 000000.
*DON'T BE FOOLED IN THINKING THAT THOSE PUBLICATIONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE
TO YOU OR OTHER VOLUNTEERS*...that's what SOME professionals (and some
*key volunteers*) WANT you to think. As Kathie is great in explaining,
EVERYTHING that the BSA writes or publishes is available by mail from
the BSA Supply Division or the BSA Editorial Division with a letter or
a phone call and a credit card. She calls it "the great printers in
the sky", I think....and she's right!
>AND, as a follow-up is the Dallas Office of BSA on this net? OR, does
>anyone have a good contact that might be useful?
(shut up, some of you!! I know that you are saying "Mike Walton's a
great national contact!!" hehehehe ...I *could be*!)
By the "Dallas Office" you mean the National Office? NO.
The National Office already puts out several publications aimed at the
professionals (called Professionally Speaking, or now ProSpeak), for
volunteers and their parents (called Scouting), for Exploring leaders
and members (called Exploring Journal), and for the Cubs and Boy
Scouts (and their male and female friends) called Boy's Life. There's
really no need for them to be on a electronic bulletin board of any
kind to give out or respond to questions from the field. Questions
are routed to the National Office from the local Council offices and
likewise, when a question is sent to the National Office for reply, it
is either faxed or pouched to the local Council for direct answer.
This is the word-for-word line I get constantly when I ask and reask
about the usage of these forums to talk and listen to the "field".
The BSA has a great system (and I know, "great" can be a loaded
word!!) of getting input from the field. I wrote about this earlier,
if you're interested, I'll look in the archives and see if I can find
it... So, because policies differ from one location to another, they
won't answer anything except "generic" questions (the ones that we
could find the answer out ourselves!).
From time to time, Larry, we'll get a "stomper" that we can't come to
a reasonable agreement of and I'll ask professionals that I know of
working at the National office or whom used to work at National and is
now working as a Council Executive or some other executive someplace
for a opinion or a possible solution. So will others that know of
someone specifically to ask.
Personally, I try to limit the amount of my questions to my friends
and former co-workers at National to those that we collectively CANNOT
get a good answer from from our own local Councils. (the National
staff is NOT normally allowed to answer "field" questions.)
The National Office has two policies regarding this:
first, they would rather you get the answer from your LOCAL COUNCIL
(they would be in a better position to know in most cases) than them,
unless it's a conflict in National policy and the local Council's policies
(as we've mentioned to the Boy Scout Program Division Director several
times...and they've been corrected!).
The other policy is that you don't get to ask for free...your local
Council Executive is notified EVERY TIME you ask... (its' that "where
are you calling from?" question they ask before they give out any
answers....in the next transmittal (which is weekly) between National
and the local Council, summaries of calls to National from volunteers a
nd members are given, along with the answers provided. This provides
a consistancy between what the National office says and what the Local
Council has said. In most cases, they don't match and the the
National "revised policy answer" becomes National policy...and the
policy of the local Council as well.
I cannot stress this to you and others enough...the National office is
there to SUPPORT YOU AND YOUR UNIT'S PROGRAM. That's what they get
paid to do. Sure, they have a responsibility to the local Councils
through the four Regional offices. But when it comes down to the wire,
it is the UNITS and THEIR MEMBERS all over the nation that they really
support and they will respond to.
Just *try to* use your local Council first, to avoid your Council
Executive getting "hate mail" about "not being able to be responsive
to his volunteers". If a Council Executive gets too many of those,
count on his Area Director finding him a way to peacefully go off into
And believe me, some Council Scout Executives have a *extremely long
Hope those answer your questions...I've got to go and get something to
eat....got to go before my honies slaps me in the head...and my
bestest friend says "and before she slaps me on the other side of my
Settummanque!@ Time to eat at Denny's...you think that they're let ME
eat there?? heheheeh
Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (
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