Re: Introduction -- New member to group
Mon, 20 Dec 1993 13:28:02 -0500
At 12:28 PM 12/20/93 -0500, Jerry Hudnall wrote:
>Glad to have you aboard,
thank you. quick response, I just posted.
> this is my first year with scouts, I am a
>den leader for a wolf pack. Right now we are in a break for xmas
>holidays. You sound like a person with lots of experience. Question
>I have two boys who don't care about earning any badges at, they
>won't do any of the requard work to earn there bobcat badge. there
>parents are no help, I have even try one on one with them but to no
>use. They have paid there dudes and there parents are faithful to get
>them there at ever meeting, but that is about as far as it goes. Any
>advice would be deeply appreciate.
my son is in 4th grade and a second year Webelo and last year he did not do
much with the Webelos either. The den had problems last year also, I am
not sure what it was, but for me that den was inconvenient transportation
wise to get him there. so he only went for a half year. This year he won't
doo much either.
I wonder if it is the age?? He also wouldn't do his church youth group
homework and memorize verses......until last week when they asked him to do
all six verses.....Matthew approached me and said.." Mom, I want this $30
NFL shirt, and if I memorize my six verses can I get it?" I said, if you
can memorize it in one week for the next meeting, and so we drew up a
"CONTRACT" and he added more things to the contract, not hit his sister,
brush his teeth every night, and (one of the boy scout requirements which I
had difficulty in getting him to do) say a prayer everynight for one week.
Well, would you believe it, he memorized the verses that very night
(sunday), recited it monday and Tuesday, remembered it on Friday, and
successfully repeated it on Sunday.
What I am saying is that try to make them, and they just don't. I had
offered incentives before, but it didnt seem to matter to him. I think
what changed him around was seeing the other kids after the past 12 weeks
finally reached their goal and they received emblems and pins for their
accomplishments, and now he is ready to earn it too. Now with this
accomplishment here, he earned his NFL shirt from me, the giant step to
earning recognition at church youth group, AND a couple requirements for
his Webelos Religion requirement.
I have been pouring over his Webelo book and found some pins he can earn
with his father....the wood working badge. Father works at the Holiday Inn
and they have some wood cutting machinery in the maintenance shop. NOW
MATT wants to earn some badges with one on one with his father.
In fact that year when we were cub leaders, we did most of the activities
in our den meeting. Do you use the chart on a wall and have the boys color
in their electives?? Is it visible to all? That sometimes is an incentive.
Are they payng attention in den meetings or clowning around? Do you use
the candle...I forgot what it is called, it gets blown out if someone is
out of hand. The use of the candle is promise an activity they would like
a bowling party or pizza party, and when the candle melts down to a certain
point, then you plan the trip to the bowling alley or pizza hut. Light
the candle at the beginning of the meeting, put it out at the end of the
meeting.....unless you had to have time out and put it out durng the
meeting. Therefore it will take longer to burn down and longer to wait for
the reward. The peer pressure will be on if a particular boy causes the
candle to be put out. Make time out 5 mins or 10 mins. You could adapt
it towards participation.... If everyone will do this activity DURING the
meeting, candle will burn, if one boy doesnt want to do it, then the candle
will be out, and the boys who want to do the activity does, etc.
QUESTION: at your pack meetings, do the boys publicy receive their pins at
that time or in the den.. Are you earning requirements in your den
meetings. We were den leaders the first year for matt....and as his
parents, he kind of fooled around, but when we let him invite a FRIEND of
his into his den...he took more interest in working on something. Webelos
seems to be different than cubs because parents don't have as large an
input in the requirments...I mean signing off. etc.
Are the other boys earning their requirements and wearing on their hats or
shirt? Peer awareness might make the boys want to participate in earning
some pins. Is there at least one achievement that you can have the boys
earn totally in your den meeting? I would suggest working on that, and at
the next possible den meeting Present it to the boys. Then, Jerry, just
live your motto and repeat it to the boys.....DO YOUR BEST.
In my Junior troop the girls are suppose to do more of the planning and
carrying out. But my troop are mostly first year girl scouts and therefore
do not have the background on what girl scouting is. They have been doing
great with their own iniatives when they have experienced a model. ie. I
explained to them at the first meeting that our troop meeting would consist
of 1) an opening, 2) old business, 3) new business, 4) activity either a
craft, game, song, 5) short refreshments and clean up, and 6) closing. I
explained to them that I would present one opening and closing and assigned
the two patrols (11 girls total) an opening and closing on alternating
weeks. They were great in planning their openings and closings. Now
four months later, I will introduce to them a candelite ceremony, and an
awards ceremony. They will need these ceremonies to plan their own year
end ceremony and court of awards.
I have poured over my girl scout books and taken the girls suggestions for
badges, some girls are earning their own, and at our ceremony in January, I
am sure the other girls may want to work on their own when they see the
Another thing, Jerry, Find out what the boys are interested in....birds,
bike riding, sports, camping, or interested in trying....archery, wood
working..... I think that by planning something they would like to do etc.
will open them up to wanting to participate more. In girl scouts, we like
to ask the parents what skills they have or experiences they have that
could be introduced to the girls. I usually have parent participation
problems. Never ask a group of parents that you need a cookie parent
volunteer, or for a volunteer to do this or that, without following up
(if you receive no volunteers) with directly asking a parent to assist in
doing such and such. Most of the time, the parent will participate if you
DIRECTLY ask them or say something like, I have heard about your bird
feeder that you made for Johnny, we would like to have you come to a den
meeting and assist us in making one with all the boys...
At my meetings, I send home a newsletter with the girls stating what we
did, and how it will tie in with this badge and that sign, and what our
objectives are for the next meeting, etc. I have many parents this year
very appreciative and helpful because they can see how much time I am
putting into giving their daughters a positive experience. I do send home
some homework type assignments, and many do not do it. So I plan
activities for the meeting to accomplish those goals.
AND for girl scouts, My daughter has been in for 3 years Brownies and now
2 years Juniors, and since her third year has been complaining that I make
her join, and I say to her either.....but remembered when we hiked,
remember our friendship sticks, etc.....and the past two years, I told her
I need you to help with your experience, the other girls have never done
that, and you can teach them that song, etc. I felt I was getting a
little burn out and told my daughter that I guess I won't do girl scouts
next year....and she is begging me to do it,,,,,I will help you. what a
switch.! Try reverse psychology on the boys too.
Write me back with more specific details and let's see how we can rap on
it. Thanks for writing and I hope my suggestions help you. gloria
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City