Re: Order in the Court!!
Steve Tobin (srtobin@MMM.COM)
Mon, 20 Dec 1993 11:49:57 -0600
> From: Marc Godbout <Marc_Godbout_at_Notes-Gate@SCENG.UB.COM>
> Subject: Order in the Court!!
> I read a posting on rec.scouting today from Steve Tobin (I think he's
> on this list, too) where he responds to a Webelos leader about
I better watch what I say... I'm not used to people paying any
attention to me. Too long a SM?
I instituted the patrol method against the "advice" of the old order
also. One of whom is still occasionally active, but his son doesn't
seem to get to activities much any more. I still get comments whenever
he is around though. At the first meeting that the new SPL ran this
year the SPL resorted to the "Shout and Hollar" method once, and this
leader was standing next to me. He said something to the effect of this
new SPL knows how to run an orderly meeting and keep it in line. So
I took the SPL aside later, told him what he had said. The SPL said
"I didn't realize I was doing that bad!" and 'refined' his technique.
NO one wants to go back after the last couple years of patrol method.
In fact, I sometimes suggest 'troop cooking' for certain outings due to
particular circumstances, and have been summarily rejected every time.
I love it when a plan comes together.
> How many boys show up for Troop meetings?
- Average of 15
> What is the chaos level of your Troop meetings? How about a rating
> of 1 - 10 where 1="Should model for Fast Start" and 10="Black
> Monday on Wall St."?
> When during the meeting is it at its highest?
> - Interpatrol Activity (game) and right after.
- Openings and Closing
> Does it change as the year progresses?
varies due to other factors, and BWBB factor (Boys Will Be Boys)
> Who generates the most decibels/disorderliness - older,
> younger,newer, experienced,...?
My middle group is the worst, due to their particular natures.
My youngest group this year is truely a joy to have.
> How often do adults have to step in?
once or twice, but usually through the SPL or PL. If it is something
'life threatening' the person closest deals with it immediately.
It's kind of handled on an individual basis. I have a couple of
specific problem boys that need to be dealt with quickly, or they
get hypered up. ADD
> When do adults run the meeting?
never. I have my 'announcement' time, otherwise they won't let me
talk anymore. the only adult time is specific to a project,
instruction or teaching.
> As in every good survey - Comments?
I am still working on the game thing. I tried the after the meeting
approach, but it didn't work. Once the meeting was officially over, parents
tended to snatch their boys away for various reasons, and nobody was left.
I have been having problems getting the game in, due to a 1 hour meeting
time I inherited from before. I have been pushing for 1-1/2 hours, but
have gotten a lot of resistance from various mothers. (my son's is one)
But the boys need the game, for various reasons, so after the vacations
I'm going to push it again. With commuting adult leaders it is hard to get
home early enough, but...
I just can't encourage you enough to stick with it. It is kind of
like raising kids in general. It may initially be more work and effort to
do it right, but in the long run it so much easier and better.
Steve Tobin, SM
Eagle Class of '65
Troop 39, Cannon Falls, MN
Cannon River District, Gamehaven Council
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