Re: Can OA chapter officers wear grey epulets?
Settummanque, the blackeagle (waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU)
Wed, 15 Dec 1993 23:29:29 CDT
>Jim McCullars <JIM@UAHIS1.UAH.EDU> queries:
>>>There is currently a, uh, ummmm, how shall I put it...a big "micturition
>>>engagement" going on in my OA chapter about what epulets are proper for
>>>chapter officers to wear. At our last district camporee, our Chapter Chief
I wrote (in part):
>>The shoulder loops are tied to the registration of the individual in
>>most cases, however, there ARE some exceptions to this)
Scott A Valcourt <sav@UNH.EDU> wrote:
>To add to this thread, an observation of mine having attended 3 National
>Event Planning Committees for the Order of the Arrow (1988, 1989, 1990),
>one of the things that many of us noted was that regardless of the shoulder
>loops that were worn by a candidate for National Chief and Vice Chief of
>the OA, the final youth that were elected "amazingly" wore gold shoulder
>loops the next morning at breakfast. But, in line with Mike's above
>comments, those youth members are full-fledged members of the National
>Order of the Arrow Steering Committee, a sub-committee of the National
>Order of the Arrow Committee, which is a sub-committee of the National
>Boy Scout Committee. So, since these youth members serve on a National
>Committee (The National Chief is one of the youth reps to the National
>Executive Board too), their acting role is that of a national volunteer
>and should wear gold loops, just as their corresponding counterparts at
>the lodge and chapter level should as well.
Scott, these were the same observations I saw when National Explorer
Presidents were elected and confirmed and when Area Presidents were
elected. This was also the case when youth members that have won the
old Youth Leadership in America award at the Council level got to
serve as members of the Council's Executive Board...in ALL cases, the
shoulder loops AND position patch changed to that of either Council
Executive Board, National Executive Board, or Regional Committee.
This is the same "authority" that many Jamboree staffers had when they
attended the Jamboree, a National event. They got to wear the gold
shoulder loops until (supposely) after the Jamboree was over. Now you
and me both know that they took those loops home and wore them any
time they got a chance to!
>But, then there's that tricky line from page 62 of the 1992 revision
>of the Order of the Arrow Handbook which reads:
> Members should not change loop colors because of Order of
> the Arrow participation or position, unless it is representative
> of the Arrowman's paid registration.
This was added to address the Jamboree issue that I mentioned earlier.
However, many local Councils chose to ignore this simply because it
made sense that the elected youth representatives of the Council (i.e.
the Explorer President and the Order of the Arrow Chief) wore
insignia, even if it was only symbolic, that shows their elevation to
those *temporary* appointments.
>Now, if newly-elected National Officers are suddenly given paid registrations
>at the National level under the age of 21 (which I doubt), it would appear
>to me that National Officers are exempt to that phrase of the Handbook. So
>to me, as long as the National Youth Officers are setting the example by
>changing loop colors for Order of the Arrow activity without holding paid
>membership status at that level, then I see justifable examples for a
>lodge chief and chapter chief to do the same.
The National Chief and the National Explorer President (along with a
Cub Scout youth representative), are given certificates attesting
to their appointment to the National Executive Board of the BSA (this
is the same certificate given to Honorary Presidents and Vice
Presidents). They DO NOT get a registration on the National level.
They DO recieve a registration on the Regional level for the two year
period (all National officers serve for a two year period, one as the
primary leader and the other as the "immediate past" person). After
that, they are either re-appointed to another BSA committee as youth
advisors or members, or they go back to their local Councils as youth
members....most continue on a National or Regional committee until
they turn 21 (in which they may continue or not).
The *policy* is as we've discussed over the summer with Jamboree
staff: you wear the shoulder loops for the position that you are
REGISTERED for. The *practice* is that those that are ELECTED or
APPOINTED to serve for a limited time at the local Council or National
Council or below, MAY wear the shoulder loops which correspond to the
JOB or ROLE that they are doing currently. At the conclusion of that
job or role, they revert to the correct shoulder loops which represent
their REGISTERED position in the movement.
That's the best answer I can give and it kinda amplifies what little I
wrote earlier...thanks, Scott for reminding me about the National
Chief ceremonies, and thanks Chris for reminding me about the last
time we've talked about this subject...I thought we talked about it
back last year some time (or did we do both!?).
That's a great question, Jim....thanks for bringing it to *your*
forum! *broad smile*
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