Statistics - District progress sheets ???
Lorne A. Dudley (DUDLEY2@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA)
Tue, 23 Nov 1993 11:21:00 EST
Well Mike, I checked around on the above topic. No one in this
area has ever heard of any such sheet or report. This goes all the
way up to the Regional President. Do any other Canadian Scouters
know of anything different ?
I note from the context of the discussions, that D.E.s
(District Executives ??) seem to be paid individuals in BSA ?
In Canada, the progression goes as follows. I'm using the particular
group that I am associated with as an example. I'm going to match this
up with what I think the BSA equivalent is, based on listening to this
list for about 2 months. Please correct me if I am off base.
Beavers (5-7) A,B,C,D 5 Tiger Cubs
Cubs (8-10) A,B,C 6-9 Cub Scouts
Scouts (11-14) A, Sea Scouts 11-14 Scouts
Venturers(14-18) A 14-18 Explorers
Rovers (18-26) A
Group Committee (1st Bayridge) (No coordinating group between
(Sponsor) Cubs and Scouts ?)
District (South Frontenac) District Commisioner ? D.E. ?
Region (St. Lawrence) Council
Province (Ontario) State ?
National (Canada) B.S.A. National ?
So, the Sea Scout group (20 boys, 6 leaders), is one of 10 sections
in the 1st Bayridge Group.
In most areas in Canada, (due to history and lower population density),
we get to someone who can spend their working day in a paid position at
the Regional level. (Regional Commissioner). In our
particular case, there is ONE individual covering the St. Lawrence
Region (an area covering Cornwall, Bellville, Ottawa - a huge chunk
of Eastern Ontario). This might be somewhat equivalent to
the Seaway Valley Council of BSA, although St. Lawrence Region
could be 3 or 4 times the area -- I just don't know -- Anyone
out there who knows the area covered by the Seaway Valley Council ?
Some regions with a greater population density (Metropolitan Toronto
Region, as an example), share actual BUILDING and office space with
the Provincial organization, and I believe they have a small support
The Regional Commissioner has, on occassion, reported District
membership numbers by District, at regional policy meetings, but these
numbers are based ONLY on the paper registration.
There is no formal mechanism in place for individual groups to report
drops to a higher level of the organization.
Due to the actual mechanics of the operation here, it is just NOT
POSSIBLE to track membership on other that an annual basis. (Based
on the annual registration process.)
This could possibly be different in other areas of the country if someone
locally has set up an ad hoc arrangement and taken the time to collect
and tally the numbers.
Do any Canadian Scouters have a counter-example ?
The little statistics project that I've been promoting has been an eye
opener for me in terms of personal knowledge. I keep thinking that
this project has been done before and the information must be in
someone's hands at a higher levels of the organizations. Time will
tell I guess.
It sounds like BSA is going through a "down-sizing" project. I note
from previous discussion that BSA is reducing from 800 to 200 councils ?
Is this really true ? If so, what was the rationalization ?
Reducing support costs perhaps ?
That's it for now Mike !
Yours in Scouting
1st Bayridge Sea Scouts
C A N A D A
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