BSA <> UW attitudes
Steve Souza (76703.633@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Thu, 18 Nov 1993 05:28:24 EST
quoted From: Rick Busdiecker rfb@CMU.EDU
who quoted From: Bob McGwier n4hy@ccr-p.IDA.ORG
>> In a great victory for common sense, the Princeton University board of
>> directors said enough of this nonsense is enough...
> This list is not comprised purely of reactionaries. Some of us might even
> applaud efforts to eliminate ROTC programs from college campuses even if
> they weren't discriminatory . . . .
Rick, that's what makes this list great... anyone with a mouth (or fingers)
can express an opinion. Even you. I for one think that Bob's msg informing
us of what happened at Princeton was just fine, along with his opinion.
> In any case, I don't see what ROTC has to do with this list.
It was another example of folks trying to be "PC" and how the real world has
had enough of it. The only real place where PC is the law of the land is out
west here in Berkley <g>.
>> ...AND to restore United Way campaign funding to Boy Scouts of America.
>> Score one in a rebellion against political correctness.
>> When they removed funding from BSA, they lost thousands of dollars in
>> donations from alumni. It served them right.
> This has to be one of the most mean-spirited messages that I've seen on
> this list.
I don't think it was mean spirited, I do think that your criticism of Bob
was a little uncalled for. Like any other discussion here in the list, we
try to be accepting of others and their opinions on sensative issues. The
issue of political correctness as it applies to the BSA continues to be a
hot button for those of us here who have worked hard to allow Scouting to
retain it's unique identity and not have it blended into the great melting
pot of blandness and social and/or sexual apathy.
> I think that the United Way / BSA situation is unfortunate. One way to
> end it would be to have BSA National get rid of its [values]...
You're absolutely correct... another way to end the UW mess would be for the
gay rights activists in the San Francisco Bay Area who pushed the (local SF,
not the National) UW into their stand against BSA to keep their opinions
about a _private_ youth group (of which they are not members) to themselves.
> ...BSA is perceived as, not simply condoning, but actively promoting and
enforcing [good old fashioned American Values]...
Rick, I'm not sure what your stand on Gays in the military (which is where
this all started with the ROTC comment from Bob) or Gays in BSA, but if you
are not supportive of BSA and it's policies, I hope at least that you
express those kinds of opinions as an individual and not as a BSA leader.
Any BSA leader who opposes BSA policies while representing BSA as one of
their leaders should have their membership status seriously reviewed in
light of their desire to support the program and the organization.
> ...I would vastly prefer to see BSA National do itself and the youth of
> the country a big favor and just stop the discrimination and get on with
> providing a good program for everyone.
I fail to understand how discrimination iss a bad thing? I am very
discriminating as to the boys my daughter can date, as well as being
discriminating about what kinds of foods I eat (a round Scouter here...). We
all discriminate on hundreds if issues in every day life.
I agree with BSAs discrimination in the case of not allowing sex offenders
to be leaders, as well as not allowing convicted drug offenders as leaders.
I support their stand against gays as leaders and promote actively the BSA
policies of morals and values.
Anyone who doesn't support BSA as a leader should seriously question their
ability to lead affectively. For those (Rick?) in the list in the USA who
are not BSA leaders, be sure to temper your comments about what BSA should
and should not due with the fact that you do not have current leadership
status and therefore are not always current on BSA policies and procedures
as presented to their leadership.
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