All kinds of Things (8k post)
Ernest R. Spradling, P.E. (freemason@AOL.COM)
Mon, 1 Nov 1993 00:09:46 EST
I've been lurking around the last couple of weeks, and haven't had all that
much to say
(OK, Pab, you can quit applauding now <g>), but I read some things that
prompted me to throw my $0.02 worth:
Kathie Cerveny <kathie@DELTA.EECS.NWU.EDU> wrote (Oct 27, 1993)
(Subject: Re: Train the Trainers!!! YEA!!!)
>First of all, it should NOT be Roundtable Commissioner training ONLY. The
>entire Roundtable staff has a training requirement in order to earn their
>Scouters Training Award for Commissioner service. The staff (code 84) are
>ALSO members of the commissioner staff.
>When I was the Dist. Commissioner in Chicago Area Council, we held the
>Roundtable training course once a year, and we used the "UNit Commissioner"
>video as the support tape for the course, as well as combining both the BS
>and CS training manuals.
>The result was a course that really worked, fulfilled the requirement for
>everyone to be trained, and provided SOME limited amount of training
>presentation skills. Mostly the course consisted of the HOW, WHY,
>WHEN, WHO of successful roundtables, and proved very successful.
<stuff deleted for brevity>
>However -- to date, the training is required for their awards, but not
>presented well enough as a NEED for success. Many councils combine
>the rt training with conferences, univ. of commissioner sci., etc. This
>does NOT fill the need for basic training. It fills the additional need for
Gulfstream Council has pretty much done the same thing: in late September
the District Commissioner Staff has a Basic Training session where all new
Commissioners go through the basics. In December, there is a Council-wide
Annual Commissioners' Conference, where suppleetal training is provided.
About halfway through the session, the RT Commissioners and Staff (note
they are together at this stage) break off to learn how to plan RTs to keep
coming back) while the rest of us get fthe finer points of keeping units
administaive items, etc.
Roundtable Commissioners, as such, are a relatively recent (1970-73)
phenomenon, being strictly another Assistant District Commissioner function
back in the "olden days" (I STILL want to know who that Mr. Olden was <g>).
I am not so sure they need a separate basic training: after all, RT
Commissioners are still Commissioners, aren't they? Same thing for the
Staff . Since this seems to have been several persons' Woodbadge ticket
items, maybe someone is compiling the resources?
On Wed, 27 Oct 1993, "Brian L. Davis" <brian@COR.GOV> wrote
(Re: Problem with another leader.)
<Stuff deleted for brevity>
>First, a den leader outranks a roundtable comissioner by a factor of
>ten (IMHO), and among real scouters, there is no glory in district or
>service - after all, we are here to work with children! REAL SCOUTERS SERVE
>IN UNITS (I feel fairly qualified to make this statement, since I serve as
>Cubmaster in one unit, Scoutmaster in another, District committee member,
>Council Committee member, and occasionally work for the national office as
>well.) It is true, that many District level, or Council level volunteers
>see themselves as big shots, but they are just plain wrong.
I couldn't agree with you more,(and I AM one of those District level
of whom you so fondly speak<GBG>) that the unit level persons are the
of Scouting. However, the Commissioner staff is important as well,
they are usually the ones (in conjunction with the District and Council
who plan the local program's direction. Additionally, they are supposed to
a unit's time of crisis. This latter can be a most thankless job, where one
is damned if
done, and damned if not.
Of the Commissioner staff, I think the Unit Commissioner (UC) has the most
the most thankless, job: he has to be the middleman between the Unit and the
balancing the line between doing too much, too soon, and too little, too
The UC has to keep in touch with the units, their committees, and the
If the job is being done right, the UC has no time to play "big shot:" he/she
is in the
trenches, watching, and listening, and keeping a finger on the Unit's pulse.
BTW, I never heard of a Scout Mediator, either, can it be defined?
On Thu, 28 Oct 1993 Daniel Bailey <0005552689@MCIMAIL.COM>
wrote (Troop SPL,PL Elections - How often?)
>What is an appropriate time interval to have patrol leader elections and
>senior.patrol leader elections? We've had them about once a year, but it
>seems that.sometimes the boys lose interest in their responsibilities.
>a good balance? Any practical experiences? I really believe in a boy-run
>but sometimes it seems that the boys don't want to pay the price to run it.
>remember getting a bit tired of being a patrol leader when I was a scout. I
>can't remember how often we had troop elections.
Looking back at my younger days, and at what the units I work with do,
the longest period is six months. This does two things: first, it keeps the
from getting burnt out in the job, and it allows other boys to obtain the
experience needed for their Advancements.
One of the Troops I worked with had the same problem on the six month
so I recommended that they reduce the time to four months. I also suggested
they review who had what job, and if the same person held the job more than
he be given a break and a new task, preferably one of the jobs which should
appointed by the SPL. I am still watching to see if this works.
On Thu, 28 Oct 1993 Mike Walton (thru his honies account) "Jessica A.
Ryan" <RYANJA@WKUVX1.BITNET> wrote (Re: council mergers)
>* programming traditional to the "merged" Council. Chief Logan (Logan
>WV), used to have a fall "carnival" associated with their fall
>camporee. When they merged with Central WV (I think....don't hold me
>to that Council), they lost the carnival and it created a lot of hurt
>feelings....it was THE Scouting event of the fall in that Council and
It was Chief Cornstalk merging with Buckskin and Appalachian Councils (my old
Council - Tri-State Area - almost got sucked into that "mega-council" that
had its own
backyard brawls onthe OA level). Itwasn't just the carnival, Mike - that was
tip of the iceberg.
Fortunately, they created a new OA Lodge, got several new Council and
people, and are trying to make a go of it. I wish them luck. I'll miss 475
(but not the
Wachu Dancers), but I won't miss 210 (any lodge who kicks out someone for
his "no trade" flap deserves what they get, IMHBCO).
Well, enough for a weekend of catch-up reading. Hope you all have a good one.
Randy Spradling, P.E.
Assistant District Commissioner Treasure Coast District, Gulfstream Council
(FL) Aal-Pa-Tah #237
Eagle Scout (1971)Vigil Honor (1974)(Thal-Coo-Zyo #457) (Sukeu
Life Member Alpha Phi Omega Mu Tau Chapter (WV Tech)(Spring 1975)
Looks like I'll be a critter soon (SR-5).
(To know oneself is the ultimate form of aggression)
(Calvin: I let my mind wander and now I can't find it.)
(Mom: And I thought you had lost it years ago.)
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