Re: Problem with another leader.
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Tue, 26 Oct 1993 00:00:36 CDT
I can't extract your note to the list (because I am really over quota today),
but in reading it I've "extracted" some keys that may be solved in the way
I'm suggesting. Note please, that this is NOT the ONLY way to solve this, but
A WAY to solve the problems.
First, there seems to be a problem with a Den Leader whom wants to "wing" her
meetings instead of taking the twenty or so minutes in advance of the meeting,
looking at the materials she (should) have available and plotting how she
sees the meeting going. This is NOT a problem, at least from my perspective,
as long as she is willing to accept the consequences: parents and boys NOT
clear as to why the meeting was called or what is to be done at the meeting.
The way to solve this problem is to let her continue to do her "by the hip"
programming and see how many boys stay with her Den. There's nothing you or
I or anyone else can do here, since if she "doesn't have the time to plan
those @#*#()in' meetings", she's not going to do it if "someone tells her
that's the way it is". I
I've had a former Cubmaster (a teacher) to INSIST that each Den Leader handed
her a copy of their program for the month, from the Den Meeting Planning
Worksheets (available from your Council office), in advance of the first Den
meeting of the year. That went over like a lead balloon. NOBODY in this game
of Scouting wants to be "evaluated", but we all want confirmation of doing a
good job. So, let her "shoot from the hip". Eventually, some OTHER kids and
parents will object and she will either have to "shape up or ship out".
Second, there's a personality conflict between you and her. (you didn't need
me to tell you this, Evelyn!! *smile* ) This conflict can best be resolved in
two ways -- confrontation (which you've already tried and it didn't work!)
and by ignorance (which until this year, you could not do since your son was in
her Den (oops...sorry about the spacing!). There's that other thing of
avoidance, but that's not a option since you and her share the same facility.
So, here's the answer to this problem: Meet someplace else if you can; if not,
meet earlier or later than her meetings. In this way, you _and_ she will NOT
feel like you are both "competing" in something that competition don't exist
Third, is the idea about her "not presenting awards to your son". The Pack's
Committeemember for Advancement (Advancement chair) is responsible for getting
a listing from each Den Leader (at those monthly Pack program planning meetings,
am I right, Kathie?? ) of boys to receive awards at the PACK MEETING, NOT at
a Den meeting. Therefore, your beef SHOULD HAVE BEEN with the PACK, and not
her (unless of course, she's NOT reporting your son's advancement to the Pack.
In this case, you DEFINATELY need to contact the Cubmaster AND the Pack's
Committee Chair and make them aware of the situation. If she's "sitting on
awards" to "move forward" her favorites, EVERYONE needs to know that and she
needs to STOP that practice!
Fourth, and finally, you did a GREAT job in planning your Den meetings and
the meetings in which the Den Leader was in the hospital!! ALL meetings,
Den and Pack, should be planned by those involved in the meeting's success
IN ADVANCE of the meeting. At those planning meetings, not only should the
actual meeting be planned but also a "plan B" in case something happens to
the original plan.
This reminded me of one night as a Commissioner in Georgia. I went to a Troop
meeting place, only to see a sign on the door to the basement meeting hall:
" Troop 8 BSA is using Plan B"
When I called the Scoutmaster later to ask about "plan B", Wayne laughed so
loud over the phone, that he woke my daughter up from my arms!! He said "Mike,
any time you see "Plan B" on the door, we had to move the meeting down the
street to the Pizza Parlor. See, the (American) Legion sometimes rents out
the basement for various sporting events on TV and don't sometimes gives us
but the day's notice. So, after the first time that happened, one of our
boys who's since left for Explorers suggested that we have a Plan B and it was
his idea that we go to the pizza place."
When I asked "why not use the upstairs or some other place?", Wayne replied,
"because it keeps the kids on their toes. They get used to going to the same
old place every week, that when something like this happens, they're more
excited about going someplace different and forget the fact that they were
chased out of their regular meeting place".
"And we end up with one or two new kids the next week, too, after they see
us hold our meeting and then eating at the pizza place".
So, Evie, have a "Plan B".
Hope the information was helpful and useful, and sorry about not being able to
match up the exact problem with the answers. If there's anything to be said
for your predicament, there's a lot of that "flying by the seat of the pants"
stuff going on in ALL areas of our program, and it's NOT because "people are
so busy" as we would all believe it to be. People will MAKE TIME FOR THINGS
IMPORTANT TO THEM.
As I tell Jessiann (whom is having a related problem to your Pack's problem),
"just do the program how it's supposed to be done, be innovative and have fun,
and boys will beat a path to your door!!"
I know that, because as a Den Leader, WEBELOS Den Leader and later as a
Scoutmaster and Advisor, folks beat down the door to get in because of the
PLANNED PROGRAM and the idea of having fun!
Mike L. Walton
(no sig file....I am very much over quota today!)
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