Re: New SM Questions
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Fri, 22 Oct 1993 09:35:17 CDT
Marc Godbout <Marc_Godbout_at_Notes-Gate@SCENG.UB.COM> writes:
> Thanks for all the responses so far, too numerous to respond to
> individually. This SCOUTS-L is great. Much faster than roundtable.
A reminder to all, not just Marc...while we respond faster than your
local Council does, PLEASE use those resources too. The Scouts-L list
is another resource for ALL youth leaders, not just Boy and Girl
Scouting leaders, but should not be your ONLY source. From time to
time, I hear from disappointed Scouters that took our collective
wisdom and knowledge about our programs as gospel, and marched into
the local Council office with reams of printed paper only to be told
"that's the way THEY do things. WE do things THIS way and if you don't
like it, there's other things you can be a part of".
But, as Marc and others found out here, we can be of BEST usage when
you "pick our brains" and bounce that against what you've been told
(or what the existing program HAS been) and using ALL of your
resources. We don't want to be known as "circumventing the system" or
"going outside the program".
Saying all of that, I am glad that we could all help you to confirm
that your way of managing the Troop is consistant with what Scouting
says how you should manage it.
> As to the Scouting for Food, I spoke with the CM last night and it turns
> out we all had the wrong impression. He is also coordinating the drive
> for all the units in our town and he was concerned that we wouldn't have
> enough boys show up for proper coverage. No hurt feelings at all. I've
> known him for years and he promised me that if a problem came up I would
> be the first to hear about it. My biggest concern was souring relations
> with the Pack. The Cubs are still going to help with the pick-up, but in a
> nother area which has only two small troops covering it. However if we do
> happen to have a small turnout, the "Blue Cavalry" may come to the rescue,
> and a lesson will be learned (hopefully).
> I also talked with our UC last night (all these phone calls, a
> screen-printing class, and a Pack Committee meeting and I still got up at
> 4:30 this morning). He will be coming to our next Committee meeting, this
> was already decided at the last Committee meeting, to show Fast Start.
> He, however, was not as emphatic as you folks were about the boys running
> the program. He hedges quite a bit and says that they should run as
> much as they are capable to do. That leaves a little too much room for
> judgement, in my opinion.
I believe that's what several of us stated here, as well, Marc. While
we want a completely youth-run program, there's just some kids that
will rebel at any attempt to get him to "do his job" and for those
guys you need to "handhold" and guide a lot! Your Unit Commissioner
is right in not "overselling" the Fast Start tape and program. But I
hope that he projects the statement that Scouting has been doing this
since 1911 (and earlier in many places) and that youth have been
running their own programs since then -- with adult guidance.
> I can tell you right now that one of our
> Committee members doesn't believe that the boys are capable of anything
> and all will turn to shambles if we try. She even discouraged Troop
> elections for SPL, "The boys will just vote for their buddies". I'm
> hoping that between Fast Start and the boy-run program actually succeeding
> she'll come around. I know she won't go to any training.
So ask her, "You would rather have (the name of the biggest
corporation in your town) to appoint the Mayor and the City Council,
right? You would rather have Lee Icocca to appoint Ross Perot as
President, right? The whole idea of electing the Senior Patrol Leader
is that of representative democracy, NOT of just "getting the oldest
boy (possibly her son?) in a leadership job". OF COURSE, some boys
will vote for the popular ones, or their friends. How do you think
that our REAL elected people get elected?! What we all hope will
happen is that each Scout will make an informed decision and elect
that person that would represent the Troop AND the other boys well."
> OK - two more MB questions:
> 1) What are the requirements for the Swimming MB Counselor. Does he/she
> have to be trained as a lifeguard or anything?
Nope, but that would lend some credibility to the counselor. The ONLY
requirement is that the person should be able to demostrate and teach
the skills AND BE REGISTERED AS A MERIT BADGE COUNSELOR with your
Council (however your Council decided to implement the policy).
So technically, there COULD be folks out there signing merit badge
cards that are NOT lifeguards or water safety instructors. But I
betcha those are EXTREMELY small. Most if NOT ALL Swimming and
Lifesaving counselors ARE American Red Cross Water Safety Instructors
(WSIs) or certified lifeguards through the Red Cross or the BSA.
> 2) Can the former SM sign off on Camping MB if he hasn't filled out a
> Counselor form? He was SM until July and did the work with them. We don't
> recharter until December. I'm just worried that being a Required MB we
> could jeopardize a boy at the Eagle BoR.
NO. The current BSA policy is that ALL merit badge counsellors
(including those already registered in other positions in a unit or
local Council) MUST register as merit badge counselor with that local
Council. I am not sure how your Council does this registration.
We've discussed about four or five options that local Councils have
given their volunteers to serve. Some allow those that are already
registered a piece of paper in which to write down the Merit Badges
that they feel confortable about working with. Others give out
another application and demand that you fill it out and submit monies.
Still others give out the application without the demand for the
money. And others give the District Advancement Chair the right to
add or delete names to the Council's Merit badge listing and they
handle it. Fianally, some let the District's Executive staff work on
this and somehow it gets done.
The current procedure (as Chris Haggerty responded about a week ago to
a related question) is that the Council's executive staff WILL review
the merit badges earned and listed on the Eagle application and
compare them to the Council's registered merit badge counselor
listing. Any differences, and the application is returned to the unit
for explaination and if neccessary, to have the merit badge
"certified" by a registered counselor.
So your concern is well-warranted.
> Thanks again for all the help so far. Someday I hope to be on the giving
You're welcome! We're all looking forward to that! *broad smile*
Mike L. Walton
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