APO and Scouting Relationship
Chris Haggerty, Sierra Vista, Arizona (CHAGGERTY@ARIZBPA.BITNET)
Wed, 13 Oct 1993 21:13:00 MST
Subj: Re: Am I laying the cornerstone for an Eagle mill?
I do not believe it. Mike Walton asking me to add onto his already long
letter. Doesn't he know I can be as long winded as he is? Well, I am
going to see what I can do with it. Just remember, it was two 8.5 by
11 inch pages (full) when I started!
Please note that Mike Walton started writing this letter and I have
added and dropped text from it. I just want to be sure credit goes
where it should! I am sure I would not have been motivated to go this
far if Mike had not run off to class and started this letter. After
all, I was going to get caught up on about three weeks of weekly
computer newspapers tonight. Oh well, most of it is probably out of
date already anyway! As far as I am concerned, anyone is welcome to add
and delete and use this letter or parts of it as they wish.
The problem with a letter this size is getting the young man to read it!
Sierra Vista, Ariziona
P.S. Mike sorry about the stuff I cut out. It's hard to get all this
information into three 8.5 x 11 pages! (I even changed the margins to
1" and .5".
Sample letter follows:
Dear Life Scout and Future Eagle (lets be more optimistic):
Among the materials you will receive as you approach Eagle, I hope that
you will read this FIRST. As an Eagle Scout, I have some insight into
how you are feeling right now and how you can complete Eagle, as I did.
This letter and the information I will pass onto you is IN ADDITION to
the letters from the National and the Council offices.
I hope that you take this advice for what it is...advice from someone
that has been there, and NOT as an attempt to "tell you what to do" or
to "do everything my way". You have gone this far using your mind,
spirit, and the resources of our community and Troop. You can make it
the rest of the way on the Eagle trail with these resources. This
information is designed to help guide you down the route YOU DECIDE to
The first thing I would recommend is that you gather all of the Eagle
materials...this letter, with everything else you've received, and place
them in one of those binders with pockets inside and the three-hole
"clips". Treat this like a term paper: everything in it must be clear,
clean and understandable. Neatly print or type entries when possible.
But don't go out of your way in getting everything printed and typed
up...remember, that this workbook and everything in it is YOURS. You
need to be able to erase and add entries as time passes. Make sure that
you have plenty of regular paper in this workbook so from time to time
you can make notes, illustrations, or even doodles.
After you have collected the Eagle materials, read them. Also read the
requirements for Eagle in your Boy Scout Handbook. If you have any
questions, bring them to me and we will get you the answers.
In addition to the merit badges, you must do a service project for
Eagle. You may work on this project any time after you pass your Life
Scout Board of Review. Before, after, or while you are finishing the
merit badges. Just remember, all work for Eagle HAS TO BE COMPLETED
BEFORE YOUR 18th BIRTHDAY.
For your project, seek those in our Troop whom YOU think would help YOUR
project. Non-scouts may work on your project as well, so remember your
friends from school and others. Ask them early, because you will need
them many times during the process. You know how YOU are, with many
other activities to do outside of Scouting. Imagine the real reaction
someone has when you ask them to help you with the planning or the
actual project at the last minute?
Now, sit down and think about what you can do for your Eagle Project.
This is the hardest requirement for many of us. Be creative but you
DON'T have to do something "spectacular". In the Council's packet is
a listing of Eagle Project ideas and you can get more from me.
[Note here: this list is available from the SCOUTS-L archives. Ask
the listserver to GET SCOUTS-L EAGLETIP TWO ( I believe it's two)
Mike, they are IN PART-2]
Read the (insert name of daily paper) for about a week or so and track
down what main issues affect your community. Ask the leaders of your
church, school, city, and your parents. Talk to the people you listed
a potential helpers after you put together your notebook. Don't settle
for a routine labor job like "picking up trash around the school" or
"recycling cans found around town". Those are great Star and Life
projects. The Eagle project should be something that requires
significant time to plan, organize, direct, execute and evaluate. It
should be your BEST EFFORT. That's how the local Council and the
National Court of Honor looks at the project. And that's how you should
look at the project, too.
After you decide on a project, you MUST have it approved. Discuss it
with our Scoutmaster first. If he likes the idea, write it up in the
Eagle Scout Service Project Workbook provided by the council. Have your
Scoutmaster review the plan. If he or she approves it, he or she should
sign the workbook. If there are suggestions about how to improve the
plan, consider adding them before you go to the troop committee.
Present your project plans to the troop committee and get their
approval. Again, if ideas are presented to improve your project
consider adding them to the plan. Last you need to get the approval of
the District Advancement chairman (you can get the name and phone number
of the current chairman from me). Set up an appointment to see him or
her at their office. Remember, this is no longer "kid stuff". You have
to make appointments, be there on time and KEEP THEM. You can do a lot
of it over the phone, but remember that part of this process is that YOU
do it -- not the Scoutmaster, Mom, Dad, or a friend. You do it!
At this meeting, the Advancement chairman is NOT looking to see if you
know EVERYTHING about getting the project done. He or she is looking
at the premise of the project and if it violates the BSA's policies on
Eagle projects. Those guidelines are in the "Life to Eagle" workbook
in your folder. If you follow those guidelines when coming up with a
project idea, you stand a better chance of getting it approved the first
time. Don't feel bad about NOT getting it approved the first time. The
Advancement chairman is NOT in the position of "liking or not liking"
you as an Eagle candidate. He or she, IS in the position of seeing that
your project approval proceeds WITH NO COMPLICATIONS by the BSA.
After you get approval from the District Advancement Chairman, you may
begin work on your Eagle Scout Service Project. Other than planning,
do not start work on your project until you have this approval.
Once you have completed your project, write it up. Finish any merit
badges you still need to complete. Then check and be sure you have at
least six months in one or more of the troop leadership positions that
are APPROVED FOR EAGLE (see your Scout Handbook). Actually, maybe you
check your leadership position status RIGHT AFTER YOU FINISH READING
After you complete the project and all the merit badges, collect all
your records. This should be easy since everything should be in your
notebook! Complete the blue Eagle Scout application form. Enter all
dates carefully, being sure they are correct. If dates are not correct,
this may cause delays when you submit your application. The National
office CHECKS DATES CAREFULLY. INCONSISTENCIES WILL CAUSE THEM TO
RETURN THE APPLICATION WITHOUT APPROVAL. Rank advancement dates are the
dates of your boards of review. Check your Boy Scout Handbook, it
should have been signed and dated at all your boards of review. Then
check and be sure these dates are the same dates that were entered on
the Troop Advancement sheets. The troop advancement sheets are used by
the Council office to verify your advancement. If there are any
discrepancies, Please let me know as soon as you find them. I can then
give you advice on how to clear these up.
References are required on the Eagle Scout Application. If you can get
the individuals listed to provide you with a letter of recommendation,
that will make it easier for the Eagle Scout Board members to check your
Once the paper work is complete, turn it into the council office. After
the Council verifies the information on the application, an Eagle Scout
Board of Review is scheduled. This is the last step in becoming an
Eagle Scout. To insure National standards are met, a Council or
District representative sits in on this board of review.
Keep this in mind...the more you use the resources, the shorter the time
it will take before you receive your Eagle!!
At any time if you have questions, please come to me. I will NOT DO THE
WORK YOU NEED TO DO FOR YOU. I, AM, however, FULL OF ADVICE AND I AM
VERY WILLING TO GIVE IT!
Yours in Scouting,
Hot Air Bag
Assistant Scoutmaster In Charge of Eagles
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City