Re: Uniform Trivia Question.....
Michael Rogero Brown (michaelb@SUNRISE.CSE.FAU.EDU)
Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:42:18 EDT
> Okay...here's another trivial trivia question based upon our
> discussion of training awards this past couple of weeks.
> There are THREE square knot emblems which has been doing double duty
> (in other words, they represent older awards as well as present-day
> ones). One of them is the Silver Beaver square knot, used also by
> holders of the old Silver Fawn Award (and a sidebar: can anyone tell
> us who recieved the Silver Fawn Award and when it was discontinued??).
The Silver Fawn Award was ONLY given to Lady Scouters (they were bared from
getting the Silver Beaver). It was discountinued around 1973, when they
were permittied to get the Silver Beaver.
> There are two other ones, one used as a training award and is the ONLY
> square knot that may be worn TWICE by Scouters "legally" (because it
> represents two awards, one old one and a new one recently discussed in
> this forum). Yes, National knows about the boo-boo but it was too
> late in which to make a change...and besides, the folks at National
> told us all (I reported it here on the list about two years back),
> "The other award" will have a new knot anyways, so after a while, it
> will correct itself!
I believe it is Blue & Gold Knot on Blue. Until 1988 (when they created the
new Cub Leader training awards) this knot was for the Den Leader Couch Training
Award. In 1988 this award was given a Blue on Blue Knot & the B/G on Blue
became the knot for the Cub Scouter Award.
> The other one has been used since 1958, to represent "Scouts" and
> Scouters that have earned *three earlier versions* of this special
> award... there was a square knot made for this award, but it was used
> ONLY for eight months, until this one was created as a "coverall" knot.
> It was the BSA's first "fully embrodered knot patch" and there are about
> 4000 holders of the present award, which isn't a "award" in the "badge" or
> "medal" sense.
> What are they??
You're probably taking about the Explorer Achievement Award Knot.
(Silver knot on Red/White/Blue). This knot was originally the Silver Award
knot- the Silver Award being the Second Explorer Award (equivalent to Eagle).
The Knot can also be worn by those who earned the Ranger Award (1944-49) in
Explorer Scouts or the Ace Award (1942-54) in Air Scouts/Air Explorers or
again the Silver Award (Explorer Scouts 11950-58; Air Explorers 1955-64).
These awards used to have their own knots:
Ace Award was Red/Blue on Khaki or Light Blue
Ranger Award was Bronze/Green on Khaki, Forest Green, or Blue
Silver originally has a different knot: Yellow/Red on Khaki, Green, and Blue.
Did I get them right.
(this from a Scouter who is only 29. :) This is what comes when you are
a Memorablilist (sp) )
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