Re: Webelos Summer Camp
Don Izard (IZARD@UBVM.BITNET)
Thu, 26 Aug 1993 15:22:30 EDT
Having been a Webelos DEN leader, scout leader and camp staff at
a FAIR number of camps in PAST 25 years, I would like to make a
few comments and observations about both the initial comments
from PAUL and Jims reply. 1) NO two council ever seem to interpret
BSA guidelines the same way. Our council used to have two summer
camps, and you would think the staff and camp directors had come
from different planets, not just different councils. 2) Lack of
facilites can hurt a camp experience, but not as much as BAD STAFF!
GOOD staff can overcome many challenges and everyone can still have
a good camp. 3) Currently the council only has one CAMP open, and
CUBS and WEBLOS are kept in the remote BACK areas of the camp, and
water front space is available on a time share basis. The last time
I was a den leader, the size of the camp, and the distance that smaller
WEBELOS had to travel to program areas was the major problem. They
spent half of each day just walking between program areas!
THE newest PLAN that I have seen in public, is to convert the #2 camp
(currently closed) to a full time CUB camp! Not only seperate facilities
but a complete seperate camp, based on a NATIONAL CUB/WEBELOS camp model,
with an Indian village etc. BUT, I expect that CUBS/WEBELOS and scouts
will still be in ONE camp for the next three to five years minimum!
WHY scouts and webelos MUST be seperated, I have no idea, but it is
apparently a NATIONAL guidline. Does that mean that the CUB & Webelos
must have second rate facilities and second rate staff? Definitly not!
CUBS and WEBELOS IS the largest segment of scouting in most coucnils!!!
If your council camping committee is NOT aware of that fact, MAKE THEM
aware of that fact, such as the fact that your pack put $6000 in fees
into a second rate program. Find out what is going on in the programs
at other council camps within a one day drive! There are great CAMPS
in the Adirondaks, from lots of NY councils! YOu do not have to keep
going to your own council cmaps, IF THEY do not provide a quility camp!
OR, Make a written report to the council exec committee! List the specific
problems and IF POSIBLE, list what you think could improve the problems.
Then be prepared to get threatened with being kicked out of scouting,
because you fail to support scouting and the ideals of scouting!!!
Or even more subtle, just offer to join or help on the council CAMPING
commitee. I have yet to find anyone on a council camping committee that
really could talk about what could be done to improve CUB/WEBELOS camping!
They all just wait for the NEW camp director to be found undersome rock,
and then expect him/her to create some miracle. SCOUTING is US, and the
CAMPS are OURS! We have to be stewards of the program and the camps.
We can not expect 'THEM' to fix all the problems. Most of THEM will
probably NOT be back at the camp next year IF the camp was not FUN and/or
the problems were significant. Many new staff next year will be FIRST
time and ONE time staff. (you don't get rich working BSA camp staff)
NOW is the time to be already planning for camp programs for NEXT summer!
NOT next JUNE! But we stil have to plan the FALL camporee, in three weeks.
OOOPS, I just noticed that my SOAP box is on fire, so I gotta stop.
Did anyone camp at Sabbasis this summer? Did the finish the dam?
Is anyone else on this list going to CALUMET tomorrow or Saturday?
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City