Re: Jamboree Impressions (*note: Long posting!*)
Michael Rogero Brown (michaelb@SUNRISE.CSE.FAU.EDU)
Thu, 19 Aug 1993 12:22:57 EDT
Let me comment on some things Mike Walton said in reply to my letter.
> Michael Rogero Brown <michaelb@SUNRISE.CSE.FAU.EDU> writes:
> > BUT there were problems. What annoyed me was that many could have been
> >avoided. Its not like that haven`t done a Jamboree before.
> *where have *I* heard that phrase before??? Oh yeah, that was the
> same phrase that a waterlogged female visitor told me one morning....*
> The BSA has had 14 experiences in putting together a Jamboree, and
> each time, it is NOT easy. Not only in the past have they had to deal
> with locations, facilities management, road and utility access, and
> the all-important licenses and permits, they had to deal with
> personalities that sometime wanted to put on a circus show instead of
> a grand camping event for Scouts and Scouters. As the years went on,
> they had to deal less and even lesser with the facilities, licenses
> and locations, and more and more with personalities, many of which
> have NEVER EVEN VISITED A JAMBOREE BEFORE and relied on the word of
> the professional staff (whom, as we all know, juices up the entire
> thing from the get-go!!) and we end up with...well, let's say that if
> you went to Jambos 73 and 77, you would NOT recognize this as a
> National Scout Jamboree.
Well as I said, I expect some problems, but this is number #13. PLUS this
is the fourth time at AP Hill. I was a bit annoyed at some of the problems
we had as I figured they should not have happened.
> >Our area (and MANY MANY others) was understaffed. We were worried that we
> >might not get ANY time off. We were lucky that we did get some off. Also,
> >our area did not have all the necessary equipement when we got there, thus we
> >were working on TUESDAY (when we should have been open to the kids) to finish
> >getting things set-up. If we had everything we needed, we could have been
> >done by Saturday. I also got sick of some of the attitudes of some of the
> >professionals. I get really annoyed about being lectured on `what scouting i
> >from a professional who wasn`t even a scout themselves.
> Don't ya *love that*, Mike?? I get those same snotty-nosed remarks,
> and the way I handle them is I simply say "Yeah, I know what you mean.
> I mean, Scouting can be really summed up in that feeling you get at
> the end of spending a week of camp. Can you relate?"
> They shut up really fast. And they *don't come back explaining
> ANYTHING ELSE to me*, either.
I like that response. Won't work on some of the pros in the council, but
maybe at the next jambo or NOAC.
Some of the staff with me don't like to deal with any pro that doesn't have
an Eagle Knot. If the pro wasn't a scout, they feel he/she SHOULDN'T be a
pro. But that's their opinion.
> >One incident that
> >bugged a lot of us was that Action Area C had a staff patch (just as many oth
> >staff areas do). However, they only ordered 300 patches for a staff group
> >that numbered about 250. Then they sold them at `first-come first-served',
> >and thus MANY people in Action Center C didn't get one. No-one in Buckskin
> >Games did. We were very annoyed to learn they had sold 100 to someone who
> >wasn`t on Action Center C staff. When we asked if they were going to order
> >more, we were blowen off by the people in charge.
> You wanna know why you were "blown off"??? Because if you would have
> went over their heads, you would have found out that the "staff
> patches" were NOT OFFICIAL and was not authorized by the BSA to be
I know that. I have been to a few jambos and seen ALL of the MANY staff
patches, pins, t-shirts, hats made.
Personally I LIKE the idea. Gives the staff groups a sort of espirit de corps.
I just think it could have been handled a WHOLE lot better then it was.
Most staff areas to pre-orders for the staff stuff. That's fine.
Or they limit the number per staff member. That's fine too.
BUT, if you're going to do staff stuff (what ever it may be), for G-d's sake
make sure EVERYONE has the opportunity to get the stuff. If you can't be
bothered with doing this, then DON`T make the stuff.
If I had been in charge of the Action Center C patches, I would have tried to
make sure EVERYONE had had a chance. This was not done, in my opinion.
> See, what happens is that the senior professional or volunteer takes
> it upon him or herself to design and order sets of patches for their
> particular area...at great expense to himself and to (if he's a
> professional) at great professional risk. If he was pressured to
> provide a patch to everyone on the staff there, and he did not have
> enough to start with, he could lose his job (or at the least, having
> to destroy ALL of the patches he bought and brought with him). What
> should have been done is what was done for Jamborees past: have BSA to
> design and send to each staff person TWO STAFF PATCHES with the option
> to purchase more later before or after the Jamboree..and if anyone
> wants to design a "speciality staff patch" , to insure that BSA saw
> the design beforehand and to have BSA to order them in a large enought
> quantity so that everyone will have two. One for keeps, one for the
> "other shirt" (trading).
I would only be against BSA being involved in that they would cut down on the
creativity of some of the designs. Maybe National should recognize the
fact they exist (like JSPs. they weren't allways official), and set up
some guidelines or something.
> So, don't blame him or her for "making a small buck" because he or
> she's done this at their own expense...your Jamboree fee or Regional
> fee did NOT cover those patches, which were not authorized in the
> first place...
I know the National fee didn't go for any of these extra staff stuff.
And I don't mind all that much if they make a small buck. Just IF you're
going to do this, make sure EVERYONE gets one.
> > I was also annoyed that
> >they did pre-ordered t-shirts for the Action Centers, but I never saw the
> >order form dispite the fact that I had been signed-up for the Action Centers
> >back in September.
> The tee-shirt and general "order form" problems have been addressed
> several times before here and during the pre-Jamboree meetings in
> Councils all over...it is a matter of someone waiting til the last
> possible momment to send out mailings, instead of what should have
> been so many mailings on the Jamboree,
I don't believe in the case of the Action Center t-shirts that people got
them at the last minute. Many told me they had ordered them several months
before. It's just that I had been accepted so long ago that I should have
been on any Action Center mailing list. So why was I missed?
> I betcha you got one while you were at the Jamboree, or right before
> you left for A.P. Hill, right??
Yup. I got my bus tickets & luggege tags about a week before I left.
> The transportation for the Jamboree ALWAYS needs to be improved upon.
> For this Jamboree, I was told that there would be NO BUSES AT ALL...
> someone added the two bus routes as an afterthought (and it sure
> looked like it, too!!). As explained before by Joe and by Don Izard,
> there was a LOT of traffic on Thomas Road when there should have been
> only ped traffic and the occasional bicycle. Much of that traffic
> would be quickly taken care of IF SAFETY AND SECURITY kept to their
> policy of "no exceptions, except to transport impaired persons to and
> from the parking lots on the two Arena nights" as listed in the Staff
> Guide (and emergencies, naturally).
Yup, transportation SUCKED. If I had driven to the jamboree (I flew) I
would have brought my bike. I was taking with another staffer from my
council and said I`ll like to drive up next jambo so I could bring a
bike and other comforts of home (a folding chair would have been a godsend.).
> >These problems may seem petty, but these sorts of things add up. Because of
> >this, there were several people who were on staff who had no plans whatsoever
> >to be on staff the next Jamboree.
> Yep, and there's lots of very disappointed Scouts that won't attend
> another one either, thinking that this Jamboree was the "most
> unorganized event we've ever been to". For the most part, however,
> everything HAD to come together fast and furious, thousands of Scouts
> and hundreds of Scouters had a great time, and most of them would go
> through it all again if it was being held next week or month.
> It is a shame, however, that National don't have a "after action
> review" and sit down before they start planning the next one and take
> a LONG, LONG look at the way this was done from announcement of the
> 1993 Jamboree (which was on December of 1989) to the closing day of
> the Jamboree a week ago...and CHANGE it.
> >Well, thats all I can think of at this time.
> Meee to! Sorry it was so long, but since everyone was commenting, I
> wanted to put the BSA's *two cents worth* in (and my penny's worth!).
> Settummanque! @HEY !!!! Bring BACK THE WIDE GAME!!!!!!!!
Yup. And the SHow&Do, AND an OFFICIAL WOODBADGE REUNION, AND an EAGLE GATHERING
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