Re: Youth Protection
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Fri, 25 Jun 1993 08:42:21 CDT
"Brian L. Davis" <brian@COR.GOV> writes:
>I still maintain that setting up *any* training as an absolute requirement for
>adult leaders will inevitably result in far fewer adult leaders, especially in
>Cub Packs. Tying such a requirement to recharter would be an absolute
>disaster for most Cub Packs.
Why do you feel this way, Brian?? There ARE requirements that exist
right NOW for ALL Scouting units, and we are not seeing an exodus of
adults...what I am speaking of is the current requirement that ALL
adult applications are signed by the Chartered Partner Organization
representative....as far as training is concerned, Cub leaders NEED to
be trained moreso than Boy Scouting leaders. You cannot tell me that
there's NOBODY in your Pack that is trained, other than the Cubmaster
and perhaps one or two others......
>I predict that any rule as short-sighted and autocratic as this will be of
>*very* short duration.
I don't see the short-sightedness of this new POLICY, not
rule...basically, the BSA is telling ALL of its adults that have
interaction with youth members that they MUST be trained in dealing
with those youth, or they won't be allowed to serve as adults dealing
with youth. Simple. There has been a LOT of discussions over the
past three to five years about the exact approach to take this in and
most Scouters would agree that some sort of across-the-board,
mandatory, and informal training course should the place where we can
assure that EVERYONE dealing with youth members are aware of state,
local and the BSA's position on those matters. Otherwise, it would
have been every local Council for themselves, with over 200 different
programs, policies and procedures that our local Councils would be
using (there are 413 local Councils right now, so many of them would
be sharing policies that were written for Scouters in Alaska or the
Virgin Islands, for examples...not really a "blanket policy" but
rather something that "sounds good to me...let's use this in OUR
council!"). And *some* of *those policies* may be so intrusive upon
adults --moreso than the attendance at a training course --that we
WOULD lose adults and their children.
>Cub Scout packs often maintain a very tenuous hold on
>their adult leaders. Speaking from my position as both a Scoutmaster and a
>Cubmaster I can tell you that there is a world of difference between the two
>different kinds of units.
Not when it comes to youth protection and child abuse. Not at all.
>It's a fact, that 98% of experienced adult scouters are boy scout leaders,
>not cub scouters (even though Cubs make up the overwhelming majority of youth
>membership in most councils).
How about 59 percent of Scouters with three or more years of service
are Boy Scouters to 34 percent are Cub Scouters and seven percent
Exploring leaders (1990)? I get your point though...
>TYpically, your average cub pack consists of two or three dedicated scouters,
>and the rest of it's leaders are simply parents who are grudgingly filling in
>because no one else will. This, in spite of the fact, that cub packs require
>considerably more adult leaders interfacing with boys, and conversely will
>require considerably more YP certifications to re-charter than Scout Troops.
Many Scout Troops are the same way, Brian, with perhaps one or two
adults that really want to see the program grow and the rest there
because of their children or because they were "shang-hi'ed" into
serving. Nevertheless, it's not the number of the people required for
recharter that should be the factor here....its the adults that need
to get the training to effectively deal with a national problem and
something that could come back and ruin lives, adult AND youth lives.
The present youth protection program can be incorportated into a Pack
meeting, a leaders' dinner or even the monthly Pack Leaders meeting
that Packs are supposed to have to share programming for the following
month. There's not a lot of materials to get from the local Council
and even the DE or other persons trained in the program can come to
your location, if you feel that getting everyone in a car to go to "a
training course" would be impossible.
But, this is what is going on and how National sees implementing it.
Yes, we *may* see a few less Packs, Troops and Posts/Ships because the
leaders don't WANT to attend basic training courses (with the YPP as a
part). Too bad. We will have a few less Packs, Troops and
Posts/Ships. If I was a DE, I would not sweat it. I can always plan
to make up the difference (if I'm good, and I believe that there's
growth for the difference to be made up). As a volunteer, I would not
sweat it, because I know that at least those units that have leaders
trained would tend to have less problems with the youth and their
parents than those that we had LAST year, in which there were lots of
problems that can be rooted back to the "lack of training in the BSA's
CURRENT (not 1976 or 1984, but 1992-3) program".
Mike L. Walton
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