Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Thu, 20 May 1993 20:23:29 CDT
"Foley, Mary Lee" <SYSMLF@UOFT01.BITNET> writes:
>Oh, all right. I'll start collecting CSPs just to make life simpler.
>It might even be fun; I'll just have to figure out where to keep them!
Where to keep them??? Not in a box, not with lox, or with someone
that has the chicken pox!
(The BSA has a nice binder with handles that they sell through the
catalog for $6.00. Bypass that, and go to your favorite office
supply store and get you two 2-inch binders (I've found that I can
keep my entire collection, 2/3rds complete, in those two binders)
I also have a 1-inch binder that I bring with me on my travels..it
has a copy of the BSA Council list and map (that I've talked about
earlier) along with two sheets of the plastic holders explained
below to hold my "extras" (can you see that I am really an
amatuer at this all???)
You keep them in a notebook, with plastic holders, six by six. You keep
them in a notebook so that people can look. At your book.
(The BSA has nice plastic holders that goes along with the binder
explained above but will fit any binder. The sheet has space for 6
CSPs, but I've found that you can place 12 (two in each pocket) on
a sheet. The catalog number is BSA#2735 and you can get them at
your Scout Store or by calling the toll-free catalog number.)
You take them to Scout Shows, to Cub shows, to tell-and-show. You
share them with those that yell "what else can we do in Scouts?"; you
save them like stamps you mail. You get a map of where they all came
from and a list of names and addresses you can tap. The names.
(I take mine to Scout shows, and fairs and anywhere where kids will
be at. The colorful patches always leads into a discussion about
the program, and many people are truly amazed at the fact that at
one time, we had Scouting in Russia,Hong Kong and Brazil. I have
offered the map before, and will do that again under a separate
post...unfortunately, the Council name list don't correspond to the
new map because of the renaming of many of the local Councils that
was printed...and because National Council Services is really tight
about who gets those lists anymore. The one I am using was given to
me from National back in 1978. Yes, my names and addresses, go
back to 1975, when I started my collection. )
Come on, Mary...wake up!!! This is NOT a time to take a nap!
You keep your eyes open, so you won't get took. You add things like a
CSP book, so you can learn about them. So that when it comes your
turn, you can show newbies your book, and say "See...these are CSPs. I
have a lot. They are really, really hot."
(I added that list because at the 1977 and 81 Jamborees, before
the BSA mandated that all CSPs have one or more of the BSA's
"identifiers" (the wording BSA, Scouting/USA, or Boy Scouts of
America; the one-color or multi colored fleur-de-lis, and in 1991,
either the initals or full name of the local Council), many Scouts
and Scouters got "took" from CSPs that looked like CSPs but were
for non-existant Councils (where I got the idea for the Cardinal
Council ones from). Many diehard collectors collect those as
well!! There are several national CSP trader organizations and
many of them will be at the "trading area" during the Jamboree.
Some of them publish books that illustrate and explain the various
CSPs just like the Scott's stamp collecting books do. I don't own
one..should though...but recommend them to anyone seriously
interested in collecting for fun or profit. )
Or not. You may decide to keep them over time, since they are more
valuable than a dime and gets more valuable in years and years and
(Yes, the value of a CSP collection can increase in a very short
time. Three years ago, I had my collection appraised by a CSP
collector from Georgia, and he estimated that I have a collection
worth well over $2000. Why that high?? Because I have mint sets
of pre-fluer-de-lis CSPs, as well as one-per-person CSPs from
Councils that don't exist anymore. Plus, I have first run CSPs
from fourty-five Councils that were ones of the first CSPs the
BSA used. Finally, I have the entire set (minus one country) of
the old Transatlantic Council red and white strips. So you can
see, Mary, that these provide more than entertainment for me...it
could be a source of investment or treasure to hand down to one of
my children (so that they can go to a Jamboree and trade them for
hat pins or whatever is currently hot). )
Bend over and let me whisper in your ear, please:
"you can get a lot from your local Scout store. But that's not the
best fun you can have with this lore. The best fun is to go someplace
and trade "ace for ace"."
(It is very true, Mary, that many of the CSPs can be purchased
right there at your Council Scout Shop. When Councils create new
ones, the old ones are sent out to all of the Scout Shops to get
"rid of" during the course of business. It's smart and many
traders and collectors take advantage of this to "size up their
collections". They also used to go to places like Penneys and
Sears, where the Scout department would order extras to increase
walk-in sales. Both stores stop carrying Scouting merchandise
except by the catalog, and the BSA stopped letting them carry
CSPs or other insignia and left that to the Scout Shops to carry
"Ace for Ace is one-for-one. Many patch traders will trade a
fully embrodered patch for several partially embrodered patches.
I like to trade this way, but would really rather trade one of
mine for one of yours)
Well, I can go on about this hobby of many. But I am sorry, but I've
gone and typed "many" and the only thing I can find to rhyme with it
was "penny", "any" and "lenny". I guess I could say that "lenny can
find you any CSP for a penny", but it would not be true.
I can say that, however, if you started this sidehobby, you would be
really like it, like I do!
>If you want a CSP from Toledo Area Council commemorating the 75th
>Anniversary of Camp Miakonda, let me know. I'll trade with my
>buddies I've never even seen and hope to meet them someday. :-)
>Just let me know if you want any.
Yes, please send me one and I will send you one from this Council!
Settummanque!@HEY! I was in a "Dr. Seuss" mood this evening...Jessi
was singing the "Geezo, you're slow" song to me and I couldn't get
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