Re: WHERE ARE THE CALIFORNIA SCOUT
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Wed, 19 May 1993 18:11:11 CDT
BRUCE C JOHNSON <JOHNSON@MAIL.LOC.GOV> writes:
> ( Tom Bennett asked: )
>I need a little help locating Council addresses and phone numbers in
>the Carmel and Fresno area. Does anyone know of active programs in
>We have a very active Scout Troop that is loosing two almost Eagles to
>the area and they claim they do not know of Scouting near them. One
>of them claims to have asked at school and come up dry.. I am sure
>that no one thought of the phone book so I am using the list as a best
>bet from my post in Akron Ohio.
> Assuming that this council hasn't merged, Sequoia Council is
> located at 4539 North Brawley, Suite 102, Fresno, CA 93722-3991.
> I'm sure that they can get the phone number out of the phone book
> under "Boy Scouts of America".
And the local telephone number for Council #27 is (209) 275-0811. I
just finished talking with the secretary for their District Director,
Scott Odenburg, and explained that someone would be contacting him
about transferring to the local Council soon.
The local Council that handles Carmel, however, is NOT Sequoia, but
neighboring Monterey Bay Area (Council #25), and their address is: 55
San Joaquin, Salinas, CA 93901. The local phone number there is (408)
422-5338, and their point of contact is Steve Nemeth, Po Box 4656, Carmel
CA 93921 (408) 625-2385 (SM, Troop 3). The Registrar there did NOT
want to give a professional's name, and looked up the Scouter for me
over the phone (what service, right??). Troop 3 is the largest Troop
in the city.
Okay....now that we've found this information out, some pointers for
getting this information (for Scouters NOT on the list,
naturally...I love this part of the list "work"):
ONE, ask your Council Registar to give you the Council Name, Number
and Address. Most registrars will do what I just did, look in the BSA
Directory of Councils and find the name, address and phone number of
the local Council. While it clearly states that "no addresses or
phone numbers will be released....", I don't think you're going to
send them chain letters or some other nonsence while helping a Scout
or Scouter to continue Scouting.
TWO, if you cannot get your Registrar to cooperate (and some will not,
so don't blame them if they don't...their job description does not
cover this aspect and that directory clearly states DON'T), call the
National Office (1-214-580-2000) and talk with Registration Services.
Explain the situation (less the asking of the local Council
registrar...like the local Council folks, they aren't really set up to
do this...) and ask them to please provide you the NAME and CITY of
the local Council. Note here that the National Office does NOT have a
city-by-city breakdown of where each unit is and what Council it's
located in (the Regional offices do, but don't count on them at ALL).
They only have a city and name listing, and to find the nearest larger
city you will have to rely on Rand McNally to help there.
THREE, call directory assistance in the "proposed" new location and
ask for ONE of the following:
* Boy Scouts of America
ALL local Councils are required to have their telephone number listed
as "Cardinal Council" Boy Scouts of America. Some of the newer ones
have it listed as "Cardinal Council, Scouting/USA" (the old
communicative name of the BSA), while still others have it listed as
"Cardinal Council, BSA". Try all three. One of them should hit.
In many Councils, they are listed in two or all three ways.
Jim Holman's idea about the 1-800 number to locate Scouting councils
hit a strong nerve with me, since I was the one that brought that up
about twelve years ago during a National meeting. The idea was
soundly defeated and I was chastised for "contributing to the exposure
of Scouting by organizations not in line with our purposes and
ideals". I countered by relating my own personal experience with
trying to find a new unit in Kentucky for a Scout that moved there
from Oregon. The man that led the fight that defeated the idea,
stated "well, he or you can contact the local Council office", a long
distance call to Pikeville, 75 miles away.
The reason, Jim, why the 1-800 number won't work is the BSA is
fiercely afraid that companies and organizations that the BSA don't
want to do business with will start sending "junk mail" to the Scout
Executives of ALL Councils, and some of them, seeing a cheaper
bargain than what is being presently provided through the existing
sources, will go with them bypassing the neccessary (and in my
opinion, costly) BSA procedures. Well.....any enterprising business
that wanted to do business with the BSA in a given area *already* has
their number and can get the address just as quickly through the local
telephone company. So that argument, then as now, just don't hold any
water or weight with me.
I let it go, and the 1-800-BSA4USA number faded quietly away....I
still think that it's a great idea, and a great way for youth to call
(or parents to call) and get information on the local Council and the
Scouting information. I guess, though, I was not the messenger to
deliver this item to the National Communications Committee (I was too
young anyway...I was only 19 at the time!!!)
Mike L. Walton
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