boy led... electronics?
Steve Souza (76703.633@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Thu, 13 May 1993 06:59:46 EDT
quoting From: Troye Kauffman AEZTROY%UICVMC.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu
>> If you agree that the troop committee establishes troop policy (ideally
>> with guidance from the chartered organization), then they can set a
>> policy limiti the use of electronics on campouts.
> Actually, I don't agree that the troop committee establishes troop policy
> - the PLC does. The troop committee merely approves it. The committee does
> have the right to veto what it wants, but if it follows the principles of
> supporting a boy-run program, it will only veto on the basis of safety and
> BSA policy guidelines.
Troye and others in the list...
This is a good topic for discussion and aside from hearing from someone well
versed in opinions from National many of the points expressed by those on
both 'sides' of this issue seem relative valid.
I would point out that being 'boy led' doesn't mean the boys having their
way as much as it means the boys having a part in working through the
process with the guidance of the SM or Post/OA Advisor (Adviser?) to come to
the best solution within the program that is available.
This isn't the military as was mentioned in the comments on flag ceremony
earlier this week. It is however the BSA and in the absence of strict
military type guidelines we do have strong policy designed to help build
There are provisions for what should and shouldn't be dome in Scouting in
the Guide to Safe Scouting, and program ideas in Woods Wisdom as well as the
SM Handbook, PLC handbook, Scouting Fieldbook, etc... all these stress the
outdoor program but we DO live in todays Scouting, not the Scouting of 25+
years ago ('in my day'...).
Scouts today have to live with many things I didn't have to worry about, the
least of which is a Sony 'Diskman' or a boombox. I did get to use a little
'2 transister' radio when I was in Scouts but only in the evening while
falling to sleep listening to 'Wolfman Jack' <g>.
All this to say I don't have the answer, I simply have opinions like most of
you... opinions follow...
> To forbid electronics at all is to underestimate the ability of boys to
> come up with rules of appropriate behavior and regulate themselves.
> Woodbadge stresses the importance of boy planning and leadership, and the
> importance of adults giving them the power to do just that.
My sons Troop has banned electronic 'toys' on all camping trips in the
outdoors except the Snow/Skiing trip to a cabin each year. This was kind of
a joint effort between the PLC and the Troop Committee.
Take a look at the Troop JLT training video tapes (not sure which one, I
think the one on Patrol method...) and you'll notice the scene where the
newer Scouts are preparing for the campout and the PL finds them packing
everything but the litchen sink, including their RC (radio controlled)
The point of the scene is that he doesn't TELL them that they can't bring
their RC toys, more that he helps them realize that they SHOULDN'T bring
them along on the campout... by saying something like, "Do you REALLY want
to pack those things five miles into camp in your pack, on your back?"...
The secondary issue being displayed in the video is... electronic toys are
not supposed to be on camping trips... the tape however only deals with the
obvious point of how to 'tell' the boys not to bring the toys, not with if
it's a rule or not to leave them home...
Comments from the peanut gallery on the scene in the video???
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