Re: The numbers game, NOT
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Sat, 10 Apr 1993 19:13:40 CDT
Steve Souza <76703.633@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:
[This is a response to an inquiry concerning "traditional Exploring".]
[Steve and I and on occasion, Nathan, have been talking about how to]
[keep the 17 to 21 yr. olds involved in "youth" rather than "adult"]
>> Your posting concerning "traditional" Explorer Posts confuses me, because
>> Exploring only has two types of "posts"-- Career Awareness Posts (or CAE)
>> and "regular" Posts
>In our area, the "regular" Posts have for a long time been considered "High
>Adventure" and we had lost the idea of a post that was an extension of the
>"traditional" Scouting program.
By "regular" I mean those Explorer posts that have a specialty: EG,
Outdoor, Law Enforcement, Communication, BeeKeeping, as well as what
we have called now "varied-interest" Explorer posts. CAE posts are
ALL in the high school or vocational school setting--and that IS their
specialty. How are you chartering those "regular" Explorer posts?
Are you chartering them as "Outdoor (High) Adventure"? Outdoor?
Varied-interest? You can't just charter them as "regular" and that
was my point.
[paragraph about history of Exploring deleted only for space]
>One of the things the Exploring committee has strived to do was restore an
>Exploring program alternative to older Scouts and High School and College
>youth (not former Scouts) that was outdoors skill/craft oriented with some
>High Adventure thrown in for spice. Three years ago we had two kinds of
>Posts, CAE and LDS. Neither presented an outdoor program to the youth.
Ok, so so why haven't you organized outdoor posts? or posts that
specialize in some form of outdoors? I'll send you offline a listing
of program areas that have worked great other Councils and you might
just give those a try. Not that the current way that you're doing
things is wrong, but who knows, I might have some way to get those
kids in their WITHOUT calling them "regular".
>So, call it what you will, we call it "Traditional" Exploring (quotes
>included) and it has been working well for the last two years. The program
>keeps older Scouts involved in Scouting (and OA) who would have dropped out
>due to lack of interest in Troop activities. It has also fostered a
>nurturing attitude toward local Troops by the Explorers, and provided a
>service outlet for many of them to pass on their outdoors skills to younger
>boys in local Troops.
This is the problem that the BSA has been trying to resolve with
"older boy programs". Yes, you keep them involved in Scouting, but
their interest only goes as far as the collective group decision is
made. I'll have to talk to you offline about this as there are
friends of ours waiting for us to help remodel a house tonight...ok?
>NOW, we have three kinds of Exploring Posts here... CAE, "Traditional", and
>LDS (with the LDS Posts being little more than the local churches basketball
>program for their youth, and we've been able to do little about improving
>it. Though we are working to bring them back into the Division from the
>Districts, whereby we'll have a little more influence on them).
Surely you have Law Enforcement, Medical, Engineering or other posts
in your Council, Steve. They are not all "traditional", are they?? I
think you get CAE and what I think in your Council is being called
something else (I'm not sure) confused with what specialty posts are
all about. CAE is JUST the program for high school guidance and
interests and CAE spins off several (if the cards are played right)
>> We DON'T have "traditional" Posts in the vein that they exists like the
>> old Explorer Crews did back in the 60s and 50s.
>I wasn't in Exploring back in the 50's and 60's so I don't know how it was
>then (and neither were any of my fellow Exploring Division committee
I wrote a posting earlier that explained I think to Frank Boimaire,
how today's Exploring program differs from the "crew" program done
back then in the 50s and 60s. Your approach is novel and I commend
your Council for at least attempting to solve the problem. However, I
may have a few ideas (and I'll talk to you offline about them) that
you might want to share with your EE and other members of your
>Well, I suspect this thread has gone so far astray from the original intent
>that I'm about done with it... I did enjoy sharing about our situation, and
>in our Council at least, the Exploring program IS becoming more successful
>and our quality of service to the youth has improved.
I agree and I'll talk to you offline, Steve, either this evening or
late tomorrow night (Sunday) about this further...sorry to put you
off...If anyone else wants any of the information I provide to Steve
(in detail), please do not hesitate to ask me for it. I'd be happy to
forward you a copy.
And as always, I'll place a summary here so that everyone will get the
benefit of our collective knowledge and experience.
Mike Walton (and the extroidinary secretary with a new hairstyle :)
National Exploring Instructor
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