The numbers game, NOT
Steve Souza (76703.633@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Sat, 10 Apr 1993 06:48:23 EDT
quoting From: "Settummanque, the blackeagle"
> Your posting concerning "traditional" Explorer Posts confuses me, because
> Exploring only has two types of "posts"-- Career Awareness Posts (or CAE)
> and "regular" Posts
In our area, the "regular" Posts have for a long time been considered "High
Adventure" and we had lost the idea of a post that was an extension of the
"traditional" Scouting program.
(We had a problem with the Exploring (District) Executive in that the
Exploring program went down the tubes for many years. We were given a new
Exec three years ago and she has worked with the volunteers to form an
Exploring committee which has worked it's collective fingers to the bone
over the last two years to restore a quality Exploring program to the
One of the things the Exploring committee has strived to do was restore an
Exploring program alternative to older Scouts and High School and College
youth (not former Scouts) that was outdoors skill/craft oriented with some
High Adventure thrown in for spice. Three years ago we had two kinds of
Posts, CAE and LDS. Neither presented an outdoor program to the youth.
So, call it what you will, we call it "Traditional" Exploring (quotes
included) and it has been working well for the last two years. The program
keeps older Scouts involved in Scouting (and OA) who would have dropped out
due to lack of interest in Troop activities. It has also fostered a
nurturing attitude toward local Troops by the Explorers, and provided a
service outlet for many of them to pass on their outdoors skills to younger
boys in local Troops.
NOW, we have three kinds of Exploring Posts here... CAE, "Traditional", and
LDS (with the LDS Posts being little more than the local churches basketball
program for their youth, and we've been able to do little about improving
it. Though we are working to bring them back into the Division from the
Districts, whereby we'll have a little more influence on them).
See, more than 2 kinds here <g>.
> We DON'T have "traditional" Posts in the vein that they exists like the
> old Explorer Crews did back in the 60s and 50s.
I wasn't in Exploring back in the 50's and 60's so I don't know how it was
then (and neither were any of my fellow Exploring Division committee
> As far as numbers are concerned, sure, if they wish to serve as members
> of a Explorer Post, they should be able to find one and become youth
That's all I was saying.
> My point was that to form a Post simply to keep youth members youth
> members on a professionals' "cut sheet" is both detrimental to the
> professional AND the youth that are being "used" to increase unit and
> membership figures.
That was never what I was saying, and I never suggested 'forming' a new
Post. Only having the youth who were already in both a Post and a Troop (or
who could be) to have their primary registration be in the Post (at least
'til they turn 21) so that they would be of benifit number wise.
See my original Post, where I said, if you have the 'reality' of the program
anyway, go for the numebrs TOO.
Well, I suspect this thread has gone so far astray from the original intent
that I'm about done with it... I did enjoy sharing about our situation, and
in our Council at least, the Exploring program IS becoming more successful
and our quality of service to the youth has improved.
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